leslie Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, BTM_Pix said: The thing is that if you are set up to take stills with it (and don't need a fast shutter speed) then you are also set up to take video with it and might as well just press the video record button and do frame extracts with the added advantage of 24fps capture with an unlimited buffer. Well, of course, you were able to do that when it was shooting CinemaDNG but its arguably a different story now with compressed BRAW so the DNG of stills mode will now be a differentiator to some people so I suppose a bit more thought has to go in from that perspective of it needing a more specific mode. Or not A bluetooth shutter release/video start probably. Short press for stills, long press for video sound OK ? would you build that into your cda-tek 3c app? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, DBounce said: Well the Sigma is full frame not S35 like the ? Pocket 6k, and yet it’s not called a “pocket”. It doesn’t depend on ones perspective of a cinema camera... it depends on ones reasonable expectation of what can fit inside a pocket. The original camera with a pancake lens could fit inside a pocket, this thing has not a chance in hell. Frankly, it sounds comical at this point. While I haven’t actually measured, from the images it looks like the P6K is larger than all of the hybrid cinema cameras, including the admittedly large Panasonic S1H. The P4k was not the first thing to include the word “pocket “ in its name. Most people are familiar with a pocket knife. There are expectations for how large such a item should be. You wouldn’t expect a Bowie knife to be described as “pocket”... and that’s not because most people don’t understand that swords exist. lol about swords existing I do take your point, but I kind of think it's just funny, and TBH if you put much credence in how things are named then you're in for a great many surprises, like when you find out what "free trade agreements" are all about, etc 53 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said: Regarding the "pocket", Im still convinced the BMPCC4K was intended to be the BMCCii. They share much more similarities. IIRC the P4K and BMCC were practically the same width, with the P4K being slightly less tall. I think I saw a pic somewhere comparing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 9, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, leslie said: would you build that into your cda-tek 3c app? Yeah, why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, drm said: I am very intrigued that the P6K shoots ~20MP still images. I am sure that it will be clunky at taking photos, but I shoot something like 95% video 5% photo. I wonder if it will be useable as a photo camera. Wouldn't it be electronic shutter only? With rolling shutter the still capabilities are likely pretty limited. I would just carry another body for stills. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathlas Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Well can we just stay in one topic or merge those two ? My dear admins ? ? Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Well, we now have two cameras: P4K & P6K. I am sure that there will be questions specific to the P6K, so perhaps two threads? Like: P6K - is the HDMI output only 1080p like the P4K? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abehalpert Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Are people still seeing macro blocking in blue skies when shooting BRAW or has that been fixed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amanieux Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 s35 and 6k are nice to have but what we wanted was bigger internal battery and internal ssd slot (m. 2 or sata) ! both would have cost nothing extra but made it a one piece camera instead of a rigged hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forofilms Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Will Canon IS be supported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, abehalpert said: Are people still seeing macro blocking in blue skies when shooting BRAW or has that been fixed? tbh I've never seen any macro blocking in blue skies on the 4k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Trek of Joy said: Wouldn't it be electronic shutter only? With rolling shutter the still capabilities are likely pretty limited. I would just carry another body for stills. Chris If it shares the same readout as the XT3 the rolling shutter is rarely noticeable I have found. I almost always use ES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, amanieux said: s35 and 6k are nice to have but what we wanted was bigger internal battery and internal ssd slot (m. 2 or sata) ! both would have cost nothing extra but made it a one piece camera instead of a rigged hell And internal ND. Especially internal ND Even if it was just a couple of stops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubanCam Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 What is the difference between this and a BMPCC 4K with Metabones 0.64X speed booster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, RubanCam said: What is the difference between this and a BMPCC 4K with Metabones 0.64X speed booster? The field of view will bit a bit wider with a P4K + Speedbooster. The crop with a P4K + Speedbooster = 1.28 (0.64x) or 1.42 (0.71x) vs. a standard super35 crop of 1.5-1.6. The P6K sensor is larger and is able to capture 6K raw images and some faster frame rates than the P4K. Most everything else is very similar / same. Also, I have seen comments to the effect that a 6K image downsampled to 4K makes up for the Bayer pattern and will produce a "true" 4K image. So, theoretically the P6K image may be a bit better than the P4K. Plus, you get bragging rights, since many people bash the P4K because it *only* has a M4/3 sensor. They won't be able to say that about the P6K (/sarc) RubanCam and Kisaha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maccam Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I don't get why they went EF. With the flange distance I don't think can adapt that many other mounts. I know Nikon F is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 10 hours ago, drm said: Plus, you get bragging rights, since many people bash the P4K because it *only* has a M4/3 sensor. They won't be able to say that about the P6K (/sarc) I’m sure many P4K owners who loved and made great works with it will bash it for only having a M4/3 sensor. Even though I can get a speed booster and mount almost any lens onto my GH5S and have a 1.1 crop factor to full frame. But the pockets have many more awesome features when it comes to recording formats. Which makes me ? as a Panny owner. Come on Panasonic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger 2.0 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 22 hours ago, forofilms said: Will Canon IS be supported? Doesn't it work on the 4k already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: I’m sure many P4K owners who loved and made great works with it will bash it for only having a M4/3 sensor. I picked up a P6K (arrives Monday) to go along with my 3 P4Ks (and others). I guess I am a fan of Blackmagic (and Panasonic). I hadn't thought this through until after I purchased the P6K, but there are a couple of things with the P6K that I am going to have to consider: The P6K files are more than *double* the size of the P4K files, when recording BRAW. I wonder how well my existing systems (computers, storage, etc.) can handle this change. You can't record DCI4K or 4K on the P6K, unless you record ProRes. I will now be forced to transcode the files to resize them or I will lose the benefits of BRAW. The photosites are apparently smaller than on the P4K, so I wonder about the impact on low light performance. It seems like the P6K has a little more latitude in the highlight regions. I guess that I will have fun testing (avoiding work) next week Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 10, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, Maccam said: I don't get why they went EF. With the flange distance I don't think can adapt that many other mounts. I know Nikon F is one. Aside from F mount, you can adapt PL, M42, Contax C/Y, Canon FD, Minolta MD, Leica R amongst others. The only ones that you are excluded from is Leica M, Sony E, L mount and of course m43. Maccam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: Aside from F mount, you can adapt PL, M42, Contax C/Y, Canon FD, Minolta MD, Leica R amongst others. The only ones that you are excluded from is Leica M, Sony E, L mount and of course m43. Can you do FD from EF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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