drm Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, hansel said: WILL IT BLEND?!? LOL...Uh no. It will not blend Thanks for that. That is one of the most amusing things I have read in a while! 18 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said: OMG. I hadn't seen that before. That is amazingly funny. Thank you. hansel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_L Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, drm said: LOL...Uh no. It will not blend Thanks for that. That is one of the most amusing things I have read in a while! OMG. I hadn't seen that before. That is amazingly funny. Thank you. Yes, I find flying circus to be an inextinguishable source of relief for the occasional "troubles" of daily life ? Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip77 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, drm said: Skip77 Nice job DEFLECTING. You said QUOTE: "Cine cameras don't have shutter speeds as they have shutter angles." Which, as I pointed out, is not correct. Period. I then showed you a screen shot of the rear of a P4K, clearly showing both Shutter Speed and Shutter Angle as options. A couple of us tried to help you understand that shutter angle and shutter speed refer to the same thing. Rather than admit that you made an error, you ignored that fact and rambled on about other stuff. That is the only thing from your post that I mentioned. You are really quick to say that others are wrong, but I haven't seen you admit when you are wrong. Why is that? There are many *really* experienced people on here who would be happy to help you learn something if you stopped being difficult and listened. Are you just trying to be disruptive or are you just another millennial that thinks that you know everything? It appears to me that you have a bad case of the Dunning-Kruger effect. ======= To everyone else. My apologies for derailing the thread. I am going back to work and ignoring this nonsense. I certainly don't have time to participate in some troll fest. Here is a video for Skip77. If he doesn't think that it is hilarious, that tells me everything that I need to know You missed the point PAL. The deal is if you read the post I mad and the ones from the older Motion cadence is when you break down and look at what camera produce good motion cadence, you realize it's not about 24fps and 1/48s but as @Oliver Daniel wrote: "It's no coincidence that expensive cinema cameras (and BM cams) have this motion cadence (very high shutter readout, RAW and ProRes, high bit rate) and consumer cameras do not at all (besides the 5D Mk 3 Magic Lantern)." "So in a nutshell, for beautiful motion cadence, shoot in RAW at 24p and 1/48s with a very fast rolling shutter /global shutter, with manual "proper" cine lenses and finish in ProRes. Come think of it, I now find my post pointless, as I thought we all knew that anyway!! " I clearly wrote about the same-thing as Oliver, not a well, but the same. You guys decided you didn't like my tone or the words I used. You even posted a dork posting about ND filters on a iPhone. So you can keep posting and then run it back with "I'm sorry everyone for posting again". I made my point clear with the help of @Oliver Daniel older post. "expensive cinema cameras (and BM cams) have this motion cadence (very high shutter readout, RAW and ProRes, high bit rate)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Great that's cleared up now. @drm could you record say 1 minute of the same scene on both the P6k and P4k both on the same Braw setting so we can get a good idea of file size differences? Alternatively, what does the time indicator say for the same card in both cameras? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said: Great that's cleared up now. @drm could you record say 1 minute of the same scene on both the P6k and P4k both on the same Braw setting so we can get a good idea of file size differences? Alternatively, what does the time indicator say for the same card in both cameras? Happy to do so. I am getting a couple of members of my team together tomorrow for a shake-down session with the new camera. I don't like to use new gear on a project until I have ran test footage a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, drm said: Happy to do so. I am getting a couple of members of my team together tomorrow for a shake-down session with the new camera. I don't like to use new gear on a project until I have ran test footage a few times. 3200ISO + maybe a couple more stops. This is what interests me more, if the new camera has similar or better ISO performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, Kisaha said: 3200ISO + maybe a couple more stops. This is what interests me more, if the new camera has similar or better ISO performance. Tom Antos does this test in his review. I seem to remember the P4k looking very slightly better, but there’s not much in it. drm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Freeze Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Maybe a comparison between the 120fps in 1080p of the Pocket 4k and the 120fps 2.8k of the Pocket 6k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nmccarthy Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 ideally i would love to be able to download some ungraded side by side footage from the p4k and p6k. Working with the files in resolve and seeing how flexible it is in post (for fixing the mistakes i made while shooting) would be incredibly helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Anaconda_ said: Tom Antos does this test in his review. I seem to remember the P4k looking very slightly better, but there’s not much in it. actualy he slightly prefers the 6k in low light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 ah yeah, thanks for the correction thephoenix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 My main interest is a comparison of 120fps. Would be interesting to see if the colors are different as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: My main interest is a comparison of 120fps. Would be interesting to see if the colors are different as well. We are currently having storms and more are forecast for tomorrow. As soon as the weather is clear, I will grab some footage. I will be happy to grab 120 fps from both and upload the raw files somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Not my video, but here's the specs: • Resolution: 6144x2560 (not full sensor size) • Frame Rate: 60P • Codec: Braw 12:1 • Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 ART • Tiffen Black Promist 1/8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunjoye Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 In the right hands, the rest is history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaconda_ Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Still has the red highlights thing. It’s not a bother for me, but I know some people got worked up by it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip77 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Anaconda_ said: Not my video, but here's the specs: • Resolution: 6144x2560 (not full sensor size) • Frame Rate: 60P • Codec: Braw 12:1 • Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 ART • Tiffen Black Promist 1/8 Yup - smooth as silk. Just like I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Urquhart Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said: • Frame Rate: 60P 35 minutes ago, Skip77 said: Yup - smooth as silk. Just like I said. ? Skip77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Here is the best description of the advantage of 5.7 to 4K DCI Raw to Prores on the BMPCC6K ... matches the aspect ratio of the P4K better and is sharper. https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=96689 Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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