majoraxis Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: And the number is completely meaningless because the Pocket 4K is pink. Super impressive performance for 5-stops under exposed for the Pocket 6k then brought up by 5-stops in post. The underexposed performance of the Pocket 6k was also evident in Tom Antos' USRA Mini Pro, Pocket 6K, Alexia and Red Tests. It seems to me that if you are shooting in natural light the Pocket 6k is the way to go. I knew there was a reason I liked the Pocket 6k over the Pocket 4k - now if Blackmagic would release a MFT version of the Pocket 6K - I would purchase it. From this: To this: Wow! Emanuel and TheRenaissanceMan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Impressive results. I was set for the 4K as the convenience of the mount is perfect for me but now I paused my order again. The P4K seems like the small sensored camera it is now! There is always the argument that you gain the stop you loose from a Speedbooster of course, but still.. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: 19.8ms rolling shutter is ok. Not quite as good as a GH5 but given it is 6K and a larger sensor, it's on par with Fuji and much better than a Sony A6500. IMATest says dynamic range is 0.2 stops better vs Pocket 4K. And the number is completely meaningless because the Pocket 4K is pink. A reminder always to trust your eyes and not only the numbers. well the image you show is when you under expose 5 stops ang bring back to 0, so that is partialy dr, i wish they did the same test with +5 stops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 pretty crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drm Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 8/31/2019 at 2:20 PM, DaveAltizer said: Did a shoot this week with the BMPCC 6k and the camera crashed on me multiple times. Hey Dave. I have not had my P6K crash at all. Do you have an idea what caused it or what was going on when it happened? I would like to try to replicate those conditions. FYI: I always record to a T5 and I use an external NP battery. Some comments seem to indicate that those might matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shijan Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I was inspired by those tests and take attempt to exam BMMCC in near similar conditions. DNGs processed with workflow described here https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=65149&p=543725#p537852 Noise reduction was applied before expose boost. My background is simple black fabric, so it is darker and so more extreme test than Cinema5D examples, you can compare things by Color Checker patches. Let's be honest, even P6K can't provide usable underexposed 5 stops. It looks too noisy and became plastic mess if you add SNR. Sort of horisontal FPN lines also became visible in Sony sensors. So we see here is 5 years old native HD camera with Fairchild Imaging dual gain sensor fights against gigantic 6K/4K modern Sony sensors in downscaled to HD mode. 3 stops under expose is pretty usable with BMMCC as well as P4k/P6K. If only we can fight FPN it could be extended even further... And same examples, but with noise reduction and fIlm emulation LUT: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonprimo Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Hey guys I got my bmpcc6k last wk and finally got to take it out this wknd to do some test shots. Here are some screen grabs. I shot in Braw 6k & 2.8k mixing 23.98, 50 and 120 fps. Lens was canon 24-70 L series. Also I no ND so I had to stop down a lot and mess with the ISO to expose. These stills I colored in Lightroom. I’ll have the video edited and colored within the next wk or so. I’m really loving the look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonprimo Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Also here are the raw files with the colored ones side by side. I’m not a colorist but I tried my best to bring out the colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I find it interesting that Pocket 6k is in stock at B&H and the Pocket 4k is not. Also, last night I saw a used Pocket 6k on B&H for a little over $2k . It’s gone today, but it goes to,show how available the 6k is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asappprock Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Personal opinion: People who need 6K or are looking to upgrade their aging Cinema Camera will want this (like my friend at Apknite). But everyone else, who already has the BMPCC 4K? An EF speed booster is the far smarter choice than a new camera that's double the price of the Pocket 4K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of squig Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, asappprock said: Personal opinion: People who need 6K or are looking to upgrade their aging Cinema Camera will want this (like my friend at Apknite). But everyone else, who already has the BMPCC 4K? An EF speed booster is the far smarter choice than a new camera that's double the price of the Pocket 4K. It's more than double the price because it's double the storage space. Anyone who thinks they need more than 4K resolution has rocks in their heads. I don't particularly like speed boosters, but I like the thought of 6K less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 As we see in the under exposure test above that difference between the Pocket 4K and Pocket 6k image is more than resolution. I hope that Blackmagic can fix the color issue with the underexposed images with the Pocket 4K. If so, it is a much better value. If not, and the Pocket 6k had a MTF mount, I would pay the almost twice the price cost difference for it - I think many would. The Pocket 6k has a great image, which is very forgiving when it comes to variable/low light conditions and it will pay for the difference in price by missing less shots over the life of the camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronChicago Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/2/2019 at 2:23 PM, Andrew Reid said: 19.8ms rolling shutter is ok. Not quite as good as a GH5 but given it is 6K and a larger sensor, it's on par with Fuji and much better than a Sony A6500. IMATest says dynamic range is 0.2 stops better vs Pocket 4K. And the number is completely meaningless because the Pocket 4K is pink. A reminder always to trust your eyes and not only the numbers. I've noticed this weird tint since the beginning and it doesn't seem to pick up blue hues in certain situations. I thought it was defective for a while but it looks like that's just the color science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Using 3D LUT Creator I did a rough pass at trying to match the 4k with the 6k both at 5 stops under. You can see the color shift required. Major shift from magenta to green, but it was not possible to achieve this with just the tint, temp sliders which were only tweaked slightly using auto white balance then tweaked further to dial it in. I also increased the dynamic range slider which made it have more contrast without having to use the contrast slider. I also added saturation. Also slight tweaks on the color web to skin tone color area. So it seems there needs to be a dynamic shift in color, contrast and saturation based on the under exposure level for each pixel of the image for the Pocket 4K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 7 hours ago, majoraxis said: Using 3D LUT Creator I did a rough pass at trying to match the 4k with the 6k both at 5 stops under. You can see the color shift required. Major shift from magenta to green, but it was not possible to achieve this with just the tint, temp sliders which were only tweaked slightly using auto white balance then tweaked further to dial it in. I also increased the dynamic range slider which made it have more contrast without having to use the contrast slider. I also added saturation. Also slight tweaks on the color web to skin tone color area. So it seems there needs to be a dynamic shift in color, contrast and saturation based on the under exposure level for each pixel of the image for the Pocket 4K. In other words, just do not underexpose it that much! Dunjoye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboRat Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Personally, if I'm going to purchase a new camera and I had the budget, I'll go with the Pocket 6K. But I have invested in MFT lenses and they still serve me well. I have seen a side by side comparison of shots with the P4K and P6K and the P6K is def better. But if you remove the comparisons, no one's going to complain that you shot with a P4K, or Sony (unless they see the jello rolling shutter), as long as what's shown provides value to viewers. But I'm still dreaming of owning a P6K Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 @TurboRat you've resumed the whole thing pretty well, man : ) Other than that, it is a mere useless exercise. Typical forums empty talk or non-buyer(s) remorse, that is, nonsense excuses far from real to be plain honest here (and this is written by an early P4K user : -) TurboRat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 On 9/7/2019 at 8:01 AM, majoraxis said: Using 3D LUT Creator I did a rough pass at trying to match the 4k with the 6k both at 5 stops under. You can see the color shift required. Major shift from magenta to green, but it was not possible to achieve this with just the tint, temp sliders which were only tweaked slightly using auto white balance then tweaked further to dial it in. I also increased the dynamic range slider which made it have more contrast without having to use the contrast slider. I also added saturation. Also slight tweaks on the color web to skin tone color area. So it seems there needs to be a dynamic shift in color, contrast and saturation based on the under exposure level for each pixel of the image for the Pocket 4K. I know it's besides the point, but nice work on correcting that - the colours in the end result aren't half bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 22 hours ago, TurboRat said: Personally, if I'm going to purchase a new camera and I had the budget, I'll go with the Pocket 6K. But I have invested in MFT lenses and they still serve me well. I have seen a side by side comparison of shots with the P4K and P6K and the P6K is def better. But if you remove the comparisons, no one's going to complain that you shot with a P4K, or Sony (unless they see the jello rolling shutter), as long as what's shown provides value to viewers. But I'm still dreaming of owning a P6K I decided for the P4K last week, pre-ordered it and no regrets here. Do not need 6K, the file sizes are enormous. Braw in 6K only and Prores only on other resolutions. I already own the super wooper dooper Olympus 12-100 for run n gun and already own Lens Regain M43/EF adapter for my EF lenses. Half the price helps also, as I also ordered a full Tilta cage with some accessories, HawksWood NPF battery adapter and Tilta Nucleus N with the rest of the money. 8K will be here before next summer, the game never stops.. kye, Thpriest and TurboRat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatopardo Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Kisaha said: I already own the super wooper dooper Olympus 12-100 I was always very curious about this lens that seem extremely versatile! How does it work in term of stabilization and IQ for video? Thpriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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