Kisaha Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said: License swap that lets Canon use compressed RAW in their new EOS-R without getting sued. Probably That was my first thought! Canon is not the one to give something without taking something back. They are taking something back from Red for sure! Choosing the RF was the most clever thing Red did recently. It also takes them one step ahead of the Z and BM. Ofcourse double/triple the money also..but we will see. Seems like a good move from Red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 4 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: License swap that lets Canon use compressed RAW in their new EOS-R without getting sued. Probably 2 hours ago, Kisaha said: That was my first thought! Canon is not the one to give something without taking something back. They are taking something back from Red for sure! Probably won’t be in anything under a C300 and $8K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 The license swap would be awesome. The RF Mount and L-Mount are the two most exciting mounts, and I love what Canon is doing with the RF Mount. Canon can make great glass, that's for sure. And they do make the best workhorse doc cams around (C100 and C300) if they would just lean into that a bit more. The C200's cinema raw lite is the nicest image I've seen that isn't created by Arri or Red (for all the haters on here, Red's image is indeed incredible). But the Canon CRM file sizes are huge compared to RedCode Raw and Black Magic Raw. For most work, the 8:1 and 12:1 raw compressions are the sweet spot for getting 95% of the raw quality and features and still having file sizes smaller than ProRes LT. Hopefully Canon can get by all of the Red patents and do more versions of their CRM (5:1, 8:1, 12:1) - and then we also get Red cameras with new mounts. Winners all around. Video Hummus and DBounce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members Mattias Burling Posted August 11, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 11, 2019 9 hours ago, Kisaha said: The question is how did they get the RF mount?? Maybe. 9 hours ago, Kisaha said: more than 5000$ Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted August 11, 2019 Super Members Share Posted August 11, 2019 Just to clarify I was only kidding about it being in a new EOS-R. It will of course be in the XC-20 ntblowz, Video Hummus, Kisaha and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Canon and Red clearly have some sort of agreement that is allowing Red to use the RF mount. Perhaps there is a new "RF MOUNT ALLIANCE" as fro would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photographer-at-large Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 @androidlad any idea what sensor RED will be using in Komodo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathlas Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Do we ever learned what kind of sensors were all previous ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyd Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Their CEO posted somewhere that it's a new sensor made by Red like all their previous ones. sanveer and maxmizer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, johnnyd said: Their CEO posted somewhere that it's a new sensor made by Red like all their previous ones. Yes, right, like when the Hydrogen project went down it was some Chinese's fault, when everything goes well is 100% Red.. Do we even believe this guy anymore? ntblowz, sanveer and johnnyd 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathlas Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 He didn't targeted the chinese builder for the sensor but for complete build and support. Especially Jannard is a camera pioneer for our age and I feel extremely thankfull to him and his dream. New RED is Blackmagic after all but you cannnot erase the past and what they have achieved. mercer and andrgl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, nathlas said: He didn't targeted the chinese builder for the sensor but for complete build and support. Especially Jannard is a camera pioneer for our age and I feel extremely thankfull to him and his dream. New RED is Blackmagic after all but you cannnot erase the past and what they have achieved. Come on, there is not too much depth in capitalists, profit is always the target. If Jannard is Ghandi, then Grant Petty is God himself, of all universes and all planets, ever.. ..but no, he has a plan to bring profit to his company, a better plan from Jannard I must say. How many people do you known with a Red product? How many with a BM one? Software? Hardware? The whole workflow! Red is sueing the whole industry (like Apple does), BM gives braw for free (ofcourse not because they are good, but they have a masterplan), there is the controversy with the "specialized" media which aren't very special and so many things at red forums. Also a comment I read in newsshooter, the first part is Jarred's instagram post for the latest Komodo teaser, the second part the Ed Andrews interpretation: "Ed Andrews 6 hours ago "During prep late last week with one of our favorite teams of course an impossible request comes in which had about a 4% probability of getting done in time. Low and behold... a few dedicated rockstars from the RED engineering team worked around the clock to get it done and they just got it done." I read this as 'boss boasting about the amount of pressure they are putting on their staff.' They must be rattled by the BMPCC6k with all these 'teasers" There are no Angels in this world. sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thephoenix Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Talking about red. I guess they put all their money into getting the rf mount and cannot afford decent composant into their heavily expensive accessories. I think this company is gonna be in trouble soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I’m not quick to cast judgement. Internet mob justice is destructive. That said, it does appear Red has been deceptive. And dirty. Let’s see. I hope the truth keeps coming out until it is clear to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleison Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Red is dead man walking. It is losing the independent movie makers, (these movie makers are using ARRI); and it is too expensive for the no-budget crowd... Besides, it like to sue people which is never a good sign. A couple of people I know from my meetup group uses red... I'm not impress, and other than the cost of the cameras; the camera operators are also not impressed. Dude, I hope Red dies in a fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I guess since C200 use Cinema DNG so they cross license with Red to avoid court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Yeah I applaud Red what they have done for the industry, but they may did themselfes in. (Crazy prices, lawsuits against everyone, competition is catching up to them while nobody can touch arri) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zeng Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, eleison said: Red is dead man walking. It is losing the independent movie makers, (these movie makers are using ARRI); and it is too expensive for the no-budget crowd... Besides, it like to sue people which is never a good sign. A couple of people I know from my meetup group uses red... I'm not impress, and other than the cost of the cameras; the camera operators are also not impressed. Dude, I hope Red dies in a fire. Let's give credit where credit is due. Had it not been for Red, we would be probably still shooting HD. Well, maybe exaggerated, but it would have taken a few more years, that's for sure. Their Red One was definitely disruptive. And gave start to many businesses, mine included. Have to admit it. Eventually I started a rental company thanks to being in the first thousand of adopters... Later it all went to Arri. Many wrong decisions on their part, imo. Anyway, I myself came full circle, and, business aside, went to get back the hobby - one man band shooting small cameras. Hence I'm reading this forum, and not reduser, etc. :). But they were pioneers of cameras which could be compared to film. Yes there was Viper, Genesis, etc. Still, the digital takeover started with Red. Andrew Reid and tupp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zeng said: Let's give credit where credit is due. Had it not been for Red, we would be probably still shooting HD. Well, maybe exaggerated, but it would have taken a few more years, that's for sure. Their Red One was definitely disruptive. And gave start to many businesses, mine included. Have to admit it. Eventually I started a rental company thanks to being in the first thousand of adopters... Later it all went to Arri. Many wrong decisions on their part, imo. Anyway, I myself came full circle, and, business aside, went to get back the hobby - one man band shooting small cameras. Hence I'm reading this forum, and not reduser, etc. :). But they were pioneers of cameras which could be compared to film. Yes there was Viper, Genesis, etc. Still, the digital takeover started with Red. Quote from TDK say it well "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." Jonesy Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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