kye Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 This is what a $62K setup looks like on a Canon M50. IMHO by far the most important aspect of that setup was the lens. Buy lenses, not cameras. Zach Goodwin2, Alt Shoo and Cinegain 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I literally just sold my BMPCC4K to get the Leica 10-25mm f/1.7. I figured the camera wasn't worth my hassle and I much rather have a convenient and awesome lens. ? Xavier Plagaro Mussard, ntblowz, Mako Sports and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 58 minutes ago, Cinegain said: I literally just sold my BMPCC4K to get the Leica 10-25mm f/1.7. I figured the camera wasn't worth my hassle and I much rather have a convenient and awesome lens. ? What are you going to use it with? Have you used it yet? Is it good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 ykno what beats a great lens...? great crew ? Mako Sports, heart0less, Geoff CB and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 hours ago, kye said: What are you going to use it with? Have you used it yet? Is it good? GH5/G9 (way more convenient to use!). Haven't had the chance yet (have my cameras in NL and am in AT at the moment where I was able to get it at -10% & another €5 off). In a week I have holidays (around my birthday) and I will get get around to it. It's indeed lighter than expected, still a big boii tho (will probably stick out of the bottom of any camera, so need to be gentle setting the camera down). Luckily I had invested in 77mm filters before and always used step rings. From research everybody that's been using it was superimpressed. Some argue it's better than primes, some argue it's not quite up there, but it's real solid and super convenient. It's one of these unicorn lenses that only comes along once every so many years (e.g. like Samsung had with the 16-50mm f/2-2.8 ED OIS S or the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8)... this time? A 10-25mm constant f/1.7. Madness if you ask me. 7 hours ago, kaylee said: ykno what beats a great lens...? great crew ? Personally I'm more of a Zach. Just me and my hand puppets. jk xD Though, one man's band more born out of being a control freak/perfectionist (I'm the one with the vision, I'm the only one who can execute it properly, would be too frustrating trying to convey my intent to others that then still wouldn't get it right). A set of slave clones would be nice to have tho. kaylee, kye and Shell64 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Cinegain said: I literally just sold my BMPCC4K to get the Leica 10-25mm f/1.7. I figured the camera wasn't worth my hassle and I much rather have a convenient and awesome lens. ? That lens almost pushed me over to Panasonic camera's, it's a beautiful piece of engineering. 5 hours ago, Cinegain said: It's one of these unicorn lenses that only comes along once every so many years (e.g. like Samsung had with the 16-50mm f/2-2.8 ED OIS S or the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8)... God do I miss the Samsung 16-50 and 50-150. Those designs were the perfect size and weight with incredible optics. Wish they had sold the designs to Sigma or Tamron so they could have used them. Cinegain and Kisaha 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboRat Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 15 hours ago, kye said: This is what a $62K setup looks like on a Canon M50. IMHO by far the most important aspect of that setup was the lens. Buy lenses, not cameras. I think the ND filter had a significant effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart0less Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Panasonic G85 + 12-60 or 25/1.7 + Pro Mist 1/4 http://reddit.com/r/cinematography/comments/d2hbmy/three_frames_from_a_project_shot_by_me_panasonic/ mercer and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBounce Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 52 minutes ago, heart0less said: Panasonic G85 + 12-60 or 25/1.7 + Pro Mist 1/4 http://reddit.com/r/cinematography/comments/d2hbmy/three_frames_from_a_project_shot_by_me_panasonic/ Imo posting frame grabs from a video is meaningless. Because it does not score motion. I could stills from a Leica M10 as proof... but that wouldn't make a case for it being a great video camera. BenEricson and TurboRat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, DBounce said: Imo posting frame grabs from a video is meaningless. Because it does not score motion. I could stills from a Leica M10 as proof... but that wouldn't make a case for it being a great video camera. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart0less Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Point taken. ( : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, heart0less said: Point taken. Pro Mist is really underrated. Really gives the highlights a nice look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Cinegain said: Personally I'm more of a Zach. Just me and my hand puppets. jk xD Though, one man's band more born out of being a control freak/perfectionist (I'm the one with the vision, I'm the only one who can execute it properly, would be too frustrating trying to convey my intent to others that then still wouldn't get it right). A set of slave clones would be nice to have tho. couldnt agree more. SAME SAME SAME. ...BUT. ive learned to have the opposite attitude, and its paying off TREMENDOUSLY, right now...! it only took 10 years, nbd ? not even jk. as a fine artist who does everything, quite happily, ALONE, this whole producer journey has been quite a trip im getting good at it tho~! just. takes. PRACTICE sadly smh Cinegain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 It's nice to have a nice camera, but a lot has to do what is happening in front and behind (!) the camera body. It's like when you were a kid shooting silly videos with your friends, playing out a combat scene perhaps or something. First thing that ruins it is an inadequate casting/wardrobe/location. A battlescene with 12 yr olds running around in casual clothing in a suburb neighbourhood with cringy acting doesn't really sell it. Same for the post production with too epic music thrown over it and Red Giant Magic Bullet Looks set to overdrive on the 'Michael Bay'-setting. But you live and you learn. Get the right talent in front of the camera, put 'em in a convincing setting, with the mood set right from the get-go and suddenly it's already much better. You change the kit zoom to a set of primes. You're giving camera movement more thought. In post you still stylize, but you don't go overboard. It's those touches that have little to do with the camera body itself that make the biggest difference. So when the title of this thread says 'everything else instead', indeed, ND filters and audio gear are exactly those kind of things. I just got a little too carried away with pixel squeezing and forgot about the time and effort it takes to obtain and work with such thicc footage. And for what? So it looks slightly better to the 1% that would actually be able to tell a difference. I realized that I enjoy the shooting process the most. Thinking carefully about the scene, what it needs in terms of lighting, what look am I going for, what lens would suit that? That sorta thing. I actually don't enjoy just about anything that happens in post, so it was a bit foolish of me to get a new and exciting camera that would however make that whole part more tedious, but it's an easy trap to fall into. Atleast I realized it. ? Maybe I'll consider it once I can afford to have an editor work for me (that shares a similar mindset/creative vision). kye, mkabi, kaylee and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, Cinegain said: I just got a little too carried away with pixel squeezing and forgot about the time and effort it takes to obtain and work with such thicc footage. And for what? So it looks slightly better to the 1% that would actually be able to tell a difference. I realized that I enjoy the shooting process the most. Thinking carefully about the scene, what it needs in terms of lighting, what look am I going for, what lens would suit that? That sorta thing. I actually don't enjoy just about anything that happens in post, so it was a bit foolish of me to get a new and exciting camera that would however make that whole part more tedious, but it's an easy trap to fall into. Atleast I realized it. ? Cinegain, kye and Shell64 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Haha yeah. Someone save meh!1!! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted September 11, 2019 Author Share Posted September 11, 2019 Is anyone here shooting with a lens that is more expensive than their camera body? I think that might be a threshold of some kind... sadly, I'm not. 2 hours ago, DBounce said: Imo posting frame grabs from a video is meaningless. Because it does not score motion. I could stills from a Leica M10 as proof... but that wouldn't make a case for it being a great video camera. I take your point but disagree.. Although motion is very important (along with sound, acting, storyline, etc), stills show: colour, DoF, grading, composition, and do so without the YT compression crunch that obliterates much of the subtlety, so it's not meaningless.... Yes, Vimeo is nicer than YT but I have never been able to play anything on it without it pausing to buffer (and many others were similar when Andrew polled this some time ago). and people posting images from the photography mode of their camera is just cheating! (unless it's just to talk about the lens of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 9 hours ago, TurboRat said: I think the ND filter had a significant effect And the cheap speedbooster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurolov Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 It is easy to cherry pick stills from a scene and say look at how amazing this camera is with this lens. In reality it isnt. You will actually get a x20 better image with the bmpcc and a cheap vintage lens than you ever will from this combo (and it will cost you a whole, whole lot less). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Yurolov said: It is easy to cherry pick stills from a scene and say look at how amazing this camera is with this lens. In reality it isnt. You will actually get a x20 better image with the bmpcc and a cheap vintage lens than you ever will from this combo (and it will cost you a whole, whole lot less). Your proving my point. Imagine what the bmpcc would look like if instead of "upgrading" to the p6k you bought all the stuff and made a great bmpcc rig instead. Which would win between a p6k with only a cheap lens and a bmpcc with lenses and a rig to the value of the p6k retail price. And also don't think badly about vintage lenses, the absolute legendary vintage lenses are worth more now than they were new, but everything else is worth a tiny fraction of how much it cost new because demand has plummeted. Vintage lenses aren't 'cheap' they are spectacular bargains Yurolov 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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