newfoundmass Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said: Cameras are tools, I can't imagine carpenters talking about hammer or nails... I am related to a few! They very much talk about their tools. EthanAlexander and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaocaholica Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Reduser still going on about how if Red cameras are just a pile of commodity parts then why don’t more companies do it which if they ignored their doublethink they would realize other companies are and that this isn’t at all the argument jinni is making. The mental gymnastics is 10/10. tweak, ND64, IronFilm and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt Shoo Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 We still can’t discredit the image quality from these devices, but the whole thing is that RED is unethical! Point blank period. All of their claims about how their camera came to fruition, which we know by now and no need to repeat, are false. Sure they researched the best off the shelves products and amalgamated it to a durable chassis and I totally get capitalism, but this feels like thievery. sanveer and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 RED is overrated but I could say the same for Arri, though at least an Alexa is reliable. On 9/28/2019 at 4:48 PM, Shaocaholica said: Reduser still going on about how if Red cameras are just a pile of commodity parts then why don’t more companies do it which if they ignored their doublethink they would realize other companies are and that this isn’t at all the argument jinni is making. The mental gymnastics is 10/10. Hello Black magic ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/28/2019 at 4:48 PM, Shaocaholica said: Reduser still going on about how if Red cameras are just a pile of commodity parts It seems most of the add-on accessories are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurier Posted September 29, 2019 Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 minute ago, thebrothersthre3 said: RED is overrated but I could say the same for Arri, though at least an Alexa is reliable. Hello Black magic ? Not really, Arri never lied about their sensor, they still lead technological developments, from light, to lenses, to camera, to gimbals. I m a blackmagic user (ursa mini G2), but it took almost 10 years for other companies to do something almost as good as Arri. I don t think they are overrated, they are just not accessible to the mass. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Laurier said: Not really, Arri never lied about their sensor, they still lead technological developments, from light, to lenses, to camera, to gimbals. I m a blackmagic user (ursa mini G2), but it took almost 10 years for other companies to do something almost as good as Arri. I don t think they are overrated, they are just not accessible to the mass. I never said Arri lied just that its a bit overrated IMHO. I think the gap is closing in terms of the advantage you have buying an ARRI outside of name brand demand, in comparison to say an URSA mini. I think in the next couple of years there will be no advantage at all at least in terms of specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaocaholica Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This would be a great time for Red to release an affordable S35 camera for the masses if only they didn’t just trash their brand. Maybe in an odd turn of events they end up killing off the camera division and turn into a smartphone company ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 None of this helps RED but they'll survive this. Worse case scenario they lose their patent and/or their ability to keep third parties from releasing alternative accessories. Their user base is very loyal and ultimately they still have incredible cameras. They may be forced to change business, but they won't be out of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, Shaocaholica said: Maybe in an odd turn of events they end up killing off the camera division and turn into a smartphone company ? considering their smartphone I doubt it IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 RED forged a brand name. Is there anyone here to consider the (high) value of it? They made history in the digital revolution age. They'll stand in the business, obviously, they'll only have to adapt themselves : ) It is even nonsense to think otherwise... : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Emanuel said: RED forged a brand name. Is there anyone here to consider the (high) value of it? They made history in the digital revolution age. They'll stand in the business, obviously, they'll only have to adapt themselves : ) It is even nonsense to think otherwise... : -) Survive yes but keep charging 30,000-60,000 maybe not. That goes the same for every camera company though. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 As said, they need to adapt themselves. Doesn't make ANY sense their price policy today. Never did to my eyes actually when 5DII popped up but succeeded : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Emanuel said: As said, they need to adapt themselves. Doesn't make ANY sense their price policy today. Never did to my eyes actually when 5DII popped up but succeeded : -) never say never, RED has nothing to fall back unlike companies like Canon, sony, or panasonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Maybe. Contradictorily succeeded based on Jarred's reduser : ) Not the case of those you mention : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Shaocaholica said: This would be a great time for Red to release an affordable S35 camera for the masses if only they didn’t just trash their brand. That was RED Raven.... Which they've now cancelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaocaholica Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I guess after part 4 Reduser banned all discussion about Jinni? That might have been their smartest move on this ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 I guess the reason for this comment is because Jinny Tech released a new part yesterday? I have to admit there are a bit too many details in this case for me to really follow what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Wow. So glad that someone is rkaing one if the biggest corporate fraud company to the cleaners. It's David vs Goliath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 7, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2020 Can somebody summarise the latest info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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