Mako Sports Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Retires and shuts down the hydrogen project. https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/10/25/reds-jim-jannard-retires-shuts-down-hydrogen/ Sounds like bs, all of the bad press as of recent is far to much stress for a 70 yo man. Once they loose the raw patent it should only take a handful of years before they officially close their doors. Its what they get for years of shadow business practices and being the big bad bully. IronFilm and sanveer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Still is a sad moment to hear of his retirement :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Just now, IronFilm said: Still is a sad moment to hear of his retirement ? Ending of an era. He has billions in the bank so I'm sure he will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Health is everything we actually have, but not unlimited to everyone of us. Money, more or less, just the capacity we are able to understand our skills have succeeded. Jim made us to realize how good and possible is to see our dreams to become true. E : -) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Mako Sports said: He has billions in the bank so I'm sure he will be fine. Given that he alludes to health issues, that comment is rather disingenuous? Not a surprise that Hydrogen is being terminated. The non-release of the modules and, crucially, the lack of other viewing devices was always going to be a problem. Komodo must be about the same price as the new Canon... different markets perhaps but comparisons are inevitable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 No matter a few passions of our own, I only think people should take a better scope on their human nature. No one is above that. Not even a single industry made by man. Technology is made by man. Economy too. So, includes that one. There are no endless ones. I find certain comments disingenuous but in all its extent to be rather honest over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 25, 2019 Administrators Share Posted October 25, 2019 While in Berlin earlier this month, I bought a Hydrogen, to see what it's like. Graeme Nattress and his engineering team at RED are good guys, what they achieved is and always will remain special. The Hydrogen has nice colour science by Nattress in 4K video and stills mode. It's got an interesting design, stands out around normal smartphones. I'll keep hold of it and maybe cover it on the blog some day. The 3D effect was not for me. Interesting technology, but some years off having the impact I expected from it. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: While in Berlin earlier this month, I bought a Hydrogen, to see what it's like. Graeme Nattress and his engineering team at RED are the good guys, what they achieved is and always will remain special. The Hydrogen has nice colour science by Nattress in 4K video and stills mode. It's got an interesting design, stands out around normal smartphones. I'll keep hold of it and maybe cover it on the blog some day. The 3D effect was not for me. Interesting technology, but some years off having the impact I expected from it. I'd be interested in reading about it. Partly because with all the hype, cryptic teaser media releases, and my general lack of interest, I still don't actually know what it is or what it does, apart from underwhelm people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Hopefully the RAW patent will be a lost suit, and RED will miraculously turn honest, and work towards a wider reach for its products. RED could never have succeeded with Hydrogen because it attempted to beat Apple and Samsung at a game they themselves are losing. Also to assume that last generation smartphone sensors and processors can equal or beat much larger cameras was ludicrous to begin with. Smartphone Sensors and Computational Photography will improve substantially in 2020. Also I am guessing if RED loses the compressed RAW suit, the chances of smartphones moving from the present 10-bit 422 to compressed RAW is also pretty high. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurolov Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, kye said: I'd be interested in reading about it. Partly because with all the hype, cryptic teaser media releases, and my general lack of interest, I still don't actually know what it is or what it does, apart from underwhelm people! No surprises. The phone flopped and was voted worst tech of the year by some publications. No way he could compete with the big dogs on any kind of level. The resale value has plummeted and this won't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Two completely distinct tech realms. Jim Jannard is an enthusiast. I realize some people don't understand him and become too obsessed with their billions. Not a good show to see. Really. cam1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, Yurolov said: No surprises. The phone flopped and was voted worst tech of the year by some publications. No way he could compete with the big dogs on any kind of level. The resale value has plummeted and this won't help. Wasn't it meant to somehow integrate with their cinema cameras? Or be able to take their accessories? I recall it had some kind of accessory port and the implication was that you could take the RED accessories and rig up the phone, either so that the phone was attached to a camera or that the phone was the camera but with extra bits attached. So much of the promise was that it wasn't really a phone, but would actually be modular in some way? What was the port actually for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, kye said: What was the port actually for? The pogo pins on the back? The plan was to produce a module which added a much higher quality camera. Although there was an early photo of the unit, it was never revealed exactly what the module would be or do. In reality they didn’t do anything. Possibly an attachment to monitor Komodo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Regardless of RED and their business practices, Jim changed the landscape, disrupted the status quo, and helped push video/filmmaking forward. He deserves credit and gratitude for that. I just wish RED hadn't taken the path they took. EthanAlexander, IronFilm and deezid 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathlas Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Ι just don't want to imagine what our cine world would be without Jannard and his dream. When Sony was asking more than 100k$ for a 2k cine camera and Jim delivered an -unfinished and unprepared but marvellous- camera for 15k$ .... He was one of our breed's pioneers whether we like it or not. I really respect him and owe him a lot . Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otago Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Before anyone gets too misty eyed remember this is the same person who bullied employees for whistle blowing against Lance Armstrong and threatened news sites with law suits for being critical. He is also the master of hype and could just as easily have stubbed his toe as be facing real medical problems. andrgl, IronFilm, sanveer and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 What a poison such internet can be... *sigh* Fortunately, there's real world out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanAlexander Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, sanveer said: I am guessing if RED loses the compressed RAW suit, the chances of smartphones moving from the present 10-bit 422 to compressed RAW is also pretty high. Maybe in a few select offerings but 98% of the smartphone market wouldn't be interested - even I wouldn't because there's just no point when you're making so many compromises, especially in low light where you can see image breakdown so fast even using Filmic Extreme bitrates (~130Mbps HEVC) on the latest iPhone. HEVC and HEIF are really quite good for best-of-both-worlds size vs quality on phones, especially considering cloud storage and data speeds - it's why I actually love that Canon is going to offer HEIF on the new 1DX MkIII. I agree with the rest of what you're saying though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majoraxis Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I admit it. I am still mad that RED never delivered 3k for $3k. I hope that the truth comes out and that RED is either vindicated, if they have done nothing wrong, or pays the price for their actions if they have done something wrong. Either way, I hope Jim recovers from his health issues. EthanAlexander 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 I don't think Jim has any health issue. He probably shared some of Lance Amstrong's strong portion. And it has made them both happy high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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