Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 Still looks like a game show host to me! Mako Sports, Video Hummus and IncriminatingPictures 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Guys, you don't understand what's required. Here's the painting which was purchased by Trump's charity(!), for one of Trump's golf resorts. You know, the charity which raised money to support veterans. But bought portraits of Donald instead. To hang on the walls of Trump resorts. Now *that's* world-class color correction: Andrew Reid, tigerbengal and IncriminatingPictures 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncriminatingPictures Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 I love the folks (who most likely don’t vote in the US) saying that Liberals are upset and triggered. But it’s you lot that scream and burn your sneakers on Twitter and shoot up houses of worship. Eh comrades? Mako Sports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: Trump plays liberals like a fiddle. Both sad and hilarious at the same time. High irony. It's you he's playing. His own supporters. He plays you like a fiddle, plays to your needs. You needed an alternative to liberal elites, socialism and you wanted someone to stand up to China, bringing back the blue-collar jobs in the process. In principal there is nothing wrong with this. Trump supporters are a bit like Brexit supporters, as in some had heartfelt concerns, genuine needs not being met by the current system, genuine reasons for voting "out" of a globalist system that wasn't working for them. The tragedy is nobody really stood up for these people in a constructive way, and then social media came along and really fucked things up further, polarising and distorting the truth. Hipsters all over, in gentrified neighbourhoods, in every coffee shop, self obsessed, never looking up from their Macbooks to even notice there was a problem. Ignorance all around. A complete failure on both sides to see the point of view of the other. Divided we fall. So when Trump comes along he fills the vacuum perfectly. Like Boris Johnson in the UK, he is patriotic, he's a fixer, he wants to get things done and unite the country, and he wants to win big. The art of the deal, not a politician, not a robot reading from a script about LGBT+ rights, someone who you could imagine actually running a factory, defending a house, or fighting off a communist invasion. Like in the good old days. Someone you could imagine walking in through the doors of a factory like Apple's, giving a rousing speech about how the US is the most powerful country on God's green Earth, and then overnight the profit doubles and he goes for a beer with the workers done the pub. Trump. HAHA Fooled by a gameshow host. Pretty much everybody internationally laughing at you, pointing, saying "how could you be so stupid to elect this guy". How does it feel? I'd be angry too. It's a massive let down. Not just for you as a Trump voter but for me as a Brit, with the close relationship and culture we share as two powerful Western economies. We are going to fall like Rome. Trump filled a dangerous vacuum left by Obama, and he did it 100% for self-serving reasons. Supercharged by the internet, a faction on both sides has become radicalised. In the UK we have the Labour party's swing to a hard-left, socialist party. The Conservative centre-right has been shown the door, and we have our own far-right movement at the heart of government to contend with, along with the same kind of corruption to go with it... The Russian inception deep into business and communities. I am in the centre. You can't be played if you arm yourself with the facts. But it is a lonely place to be in the world today. Nobody wants to hear you. The system is broken. People died to defend our democracies, but now we've been disenfranchised from within, locked in a Hobson's choice death spiral where no third party or independent can break through or turn things around - no evidence based or factual based running of the government is possible any more. It is the same in the US, and it is clear even after a few years in a chaotic and corrupt self-serving government that Trump still has millions fooled. That is extraordinary to me. Where are you getting your news from? Social media is now the largest and most powerful publisher in the world. So probably from that. It was a social media phenomena that first got Trump's campaign noticed and the traditional media talking about it. It is social media that keeps him there. If you are rich and powerful enough, and opportunistic or famous enough, as was Trump, then you can come in and pretend you are out for the workers and the patriotic, wave the flag, lie a lot, grab pussies, throw up the reality distortion field, take the Russian money, smash the government and claim the credit for Apple building computers in their existing 2013 factory. In the UK we throw rocks at politicians at every turn, rather than nurture strong and honourable leadership, we don't encourage talent to go into public life, they earn far more at private companies, in scientific projects, running their own business, creative sector, filmmaking, you name it... We need more good people in politics but it is not happening. The tribal arguement between left and right makes a collaborative cross-party atmosphere where good ideas on both sides can be executed, impossible. We have had this for decades. Then when the system turns even more toxic and tribal we double down with aggressive questioning, asking why nothing is performing, why the health service is broken, why promises keep getting broken and on and on... until we end up with such a poor calibre of politician they end up doing severe harm to the interests of the country, then we wonder where it all went wrong. The US and UK are a democracy and we, the people, get what we deserve. Wake the fuck up. Video Hummus, mechanicalEYE, tigerbengal and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Nope. You were played. Just another distraction from the ridiculous impeachment drama. Any time wasted on this is a win. Or if nothing is said it’s a win too I guess. The thing is that it’s so obvious. I can’t believe it keeps working. I didn’t read much of your post. Any of them for that matter. I don’t need the aggravation. See how easy that is? I’m gonna have a great day. If libs could just do that with Trump it would work wonders. But won’t happen. Anyway. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IncriminatingPictures Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 “I didn’t read what you wrote” should be the new MAGA hat. But I guess it could be shortened to “I don’t read” Jimmy Goodwood and Mako Sports 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jonesy Jones said: I don’t need the aggravation. See how easy that is? I’m gonna have a great day. If libs could just do that with Trump it would work wonders. I know it's hard to understand, but good government and the difference between reality and make believe is actually still important to some people. Not to Trumpers, as you've made clear, but you really do need to make more allowances for people who still read and think. deezid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: Nope. You were played. Not sure if you think Trump is playing me or whether Wikipedia is, with their brutal facts. Then again if that muck-spout Trump set out to fool me, it wouldn't be a very good tactic, as a Brit who can't even vote in the US election... Quote Just another distraction from the ridiculous impeachment drama. Any time wasted on this is a win. Or if nothing is said it’s a win too I guess. I am shocked looking at the TV coverage of the impeachment, how partisan both sides are in a judicial setting. In a criminal case, you would have the police and witness evidence. That should be happening here in a court with an impartial judge. Where I don't agree, is that I do think he has a case to answer. What he is alleged to have done fits perfectly with his character and tactics overall. Quid pro quo got Trump to where he is today. Quote I didn’t read much of your post. Well I suggest you start paying attention. You can't argue with the facts. Facts are not a matter of opinion or bias. If I were to say the earth is round, you don't argue with it. Same when I say Trump is a brighter shade of orange than a tangerine or an international embarrassment for the United States. These aren't opinions. tigerbengal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Jones Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: If I were to say the earth is round, you don't argue with it. Actually you are wrong. It’s a sphere. Edit. Although your trusted fact site Wikipedia lists it as an oblate spheroid. Point being is you can be right, and wrong all at the same time. Depending on who you ask. Sound like anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: didn’t read much of your post. Any of them for that matter. I don’t need the aggravation. Love how you think you have it all figured out but self inflict ignorance upon yourself. Winning strategy you have there. ? 26 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: am shocked looking at the TV coverage of the impeachment, how partisan both sides are in a judicial setting. It’s not a judicial setting and why I think impeachment, as laid out in the constitution, is fundamentally broken. Impeachment will never work when facts and honorable behavior are not required in the process. Trumpers are a cult and they would rather drink the koolaid to the end then look at facts. tigerbengal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: Love how you think you have it all figured out but self inflict ignorance upon yourself. Winning strategy you have there. ? It’s not a judicial setting and why I think impeachment, as laid out in the constitution, is fundamentally broken. Impeachment will never work when facts and honorable behavior are not required in the process. Trumpers are a cult and they would rather drink the koolaid to the end then look at facts. Don't bother responding to that boomer. Total waste of time arguing with old Trumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: It’s not a judicial setting and why I think impeachment, as laid out in the constitution, is fundamentally broken. And to add, for the non-Americans, and poorly informed Americans, the Trump administration is withholding evidence and preventing key officials from testifying. The House could, in theory, imprison Trump administration officials who don't show up, but that would precipitate a crisis, which they're not willing to test, for the simple reason that nobody knows what will happen when Trump flat out refuses to obey the law or leave office. The actual "trial" takes place in the Senate, should the House vote to impeach, but it's not a trial in the usual sense. None of this is. It's a political process, because according to some in the Justice Department (it's not settled law) the president can't be charged criminally while in office. Otherwise, Trump would likely already have been charged with bribery, extortion, tax fraud, perjury, obstruction of justice and violation of election laws. There's also a distinct possibility he could be charged with treason, though it's unlikely such charges would be brought, for political reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 If he's impeached and no longer President, can he be charged then (in criminal courts)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: If he's impeached and no longer President, can he be charged then (in criminal courts)? I believe so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: If he's impeached and no longer President, can he be charged then (in criminal courts)? Yes. He's fair game, and could end up in jail, though there's a statute of limitations which he can run out on at least some charges if he's in office long enough. Civil charges are almost certain, New York State is already working on it, but whether he ends up facing criminal charges in state or Federal courts remains to be seen. It comes down to whether they'll have the cojones to do it, for an ex-president and his age. This is one reason he'll do anything to get re-elected. Mako Sports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, helium said: Yes. He's fair game, and could end up in jail Now that would be a great reality TV show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 23, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted November 23, 2019 Really should lock up Hilary for that evil email server first though of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: I didn’t read much of your post. Any of them for that matter. I gotta point out, from how I see it, that's really a crux of the whole issue exposed right there. Most of my friends are conservative. I used to live in Michigan, Justin Amash's district. I can disagree with Justin's POV but still respect his integrity. I appreciate my friends' integrity and willingness to engage me in discussion. Sad to say, I think our group are all outliers in this current world. The thing we do all agree on is that modern politics is not the discussion of ideas and ideals, but an exercise in weaponized psy-ops. And that's not healthy for a nation. Dr. Hill couldn't have been more on point in her impeachment testimony about that. IncriminatingPictures, newfoundmass and Andrew Reid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of squig Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Jonesy Jones said: Nope. You were played. Just another distraction from the ridiculous impeachment drama. Any time wasted on this is a win. Or if nothing is said it’s a win too I guess. The thing is that it’s so obvious. I can’t believe it keeps working. I didn’t read much of your post. Any of them for that matter. I don’t need the aggravation. See how easy that is? I’m gonna have a great day. If libs could just do that with Trump it would work wonders. But won’t happen. Anyway. Take care. A Trumpkin who's not interested in the truth, who'd have thunk it. Mako Sports, tigerbengal and IncriminatingPictures 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The ghost of squig Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 This deliberate mess the ruling class has gotten us into is a lot more dangerous than most people want to believe. We have 3 options: 1) Revolution 2) Elect genuine community representatives to our parliaments, get money out of politics, and abandon the 2 party system. 3) Extinction Anyone who thinks extinction is a joke really needs to read more; climate change, the rise of fascism, and diminishing resources are creating a perfect storm. Revolution is the same shit going around in circles, the working class takes down the ruling class only to end up under the thumb again, take China for example. We need to evolve, and fast. The only workable solution is option 2. Hacking the system will be hard, but sitting on the fence and doing nothing guarantees one of the other 2 options will transpire. As filmmakers we can play an important part in this process. I made campaign films for 3 independent candidates in this year's Australian federal election, one of whom was elected (see below). There's a growing movement in Australia for grassroots independent representation, and we'll be much more organised at the next election. Left and right is a construct made to divide and conquer. We need to focus on the issues that connect us instead of ideology, otherwise we're all screwed. Filmed with a 5D MK3, Magic Lantern raw 1080p upscaled to 4K, and Leica Elmarit R 35mm and 90mm vintage prime lenses. Edited and graded in Resolve + Filmconvert + http://www.colorghear.com/ Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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