tweak Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Global shutter is pretty exciting, no? Yes and No. Currently I shoot Zcam, majority fast action sports, I've never once had an issue with rolling shutter artefacts in my shots. It's a nice feature but with fast rolling shuuter speed not an important aspect at all for me. I'd rather better DR than global shutter. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt Shoo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, tweak said: Yes and No. Currently I shoot Zcam, majority fast action sports, I've never once had an issue with rolling shutter artefacts in my shots. It's a nice feature but with fast rolling shuuter speed not an important aspect at all for me. I'd rather better DR than global shutter. They addressed the issue with the lower DR and global shutter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, Alt Shoo said: They addressed the issue with the lower DR and global shutter. They did their best to optimise the DR. For a charge domain based global shutter, it's doing ok, but it's poor compared to conventional rolling shutter sensors. It's positioned primarily as a high-end crash cam, only global shutter can guarantee zero skew and zero flash banding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranciscoB Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Global shutter is pretty exciting, no? I think it's a great feature. If that doesn't limit the DR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 8, 2020 Administrators Share Posted June 8, 2020 The low light and DR looks good to me. The last global shutter cinema camera I used was Digital Bolex and BM Production Camera 4K. Both not exactly known for their low light performance past ISO 200 The Komodo and Z-CAM both look like interesting cameras for the price to me. Z-CAM prices especially would have been unthinkable only 2 years ago. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Some pretty nice looking new footage Alt Shoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alt Shoo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 @deezid it looks clean, but still video-ish. And I’m seeing a tint on it. That must be whatever ND filter that is on it. I don’t think I’m impressed with the Komodo.......yet. To think I’m so ready to invest in a new camera system and I haven’t done so especially with the plethora out there. Maybe I’m not ready as I think. 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I don't think it'll be anything magic but if it can offer clean high iso's, global shutter, high dynamic range, high resolution............ what's not to like? Not sure what people are expecting from some random videos of people at a beach. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Alt Shoo said: Komodo Specs 6K Super 35 27.03 x 14.25mm (6144 x 3240) Global Shutter Full-sensor up to 6K 40 fps 6K WS at 50 fps 4K at 60 fps 120 fps at 2K 12G-SDI output with 2160p at 60 fps R3D files (REDCODE RAW) 3.5mm microphone/headphone No XLR CFast cards, not dual Wireless video module Touchscreen Display Phase Detection Autofocus Canon RF mount Size: 4″ x 4″ (10.16 cm x 10.16 cm) Weight: 2lbs (900g) approx. It’s been pretty transparent honestly. Those aren’t bad specs if they are official. Mainly, REDCODE RAW, 6K, PDAF, and a R mount if it’s closer to $6K price range. Alt Shoo and deezid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 11 hours ago, deezid said: Some pretty nice looking new footage I thought the comparing to Sony bodies was an exaggeration, but WOW does that look like something shot on a Sony A7III that wasn't graded. PannySVHS, maxmizer, IronFilm and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JordanWright Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 People in the Red forum are raving about the colour science and dynamic range, are they seeing something i'm not? sanveer, PannySVHS and IronFilm 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, JordanWright said: People in the Red forum are raving about the colour science and dynamic range, are they seeing something i'm not? Things tend to look good when you’ve dropped 10s of thousands of dollars on equipment? I think the GH5S is the best MFT camera because I own it 😁🤣 Super8, JordanWright and IronFilm 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 9, 2020 Administrators Share Posted June 9, 2020 Doesn't always look good. I spent £6000 on a 1DX3 remember and got 32ms rolling shutter, worse than the 8 years old 1D C (24ms) in 4K 24p sanveer, JordanWright, tweak and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 The 2k 120fps is not better than the 1Dx III 120fps quite soft 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, gt3rs said: The 2k 120fps is not better than the 1Dx III 120fps quite soft 😞 Looks like a $6000 GoPro action camera at 120p. Mission accomplished! S1H at $2000 cheaper looks better than any of the footage I’ve seen from the Komodo posted here. ntblowz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 14 hours ago, JordanWright said: People in the Red forum are raving about the colour science and dynamic range, are they seeing something i'm not? What do you see in the video posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 12:36 AM, JordanWright said: People in the Red forum are raving about the colour science and dynamic range, are they seeing something i'm not? Because sensorship is in place Any negative post will be deemed unprofessional and will be removed, only the glorious post remain. sanveer, funkyou86 and IronFilm 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Daniel Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ntblowz said: Because sensorship is in place Any negative post will be deemed unprofessional and will be removed, only the glorious post remain. That’s a bit sad. Some RED owners unfortunately act like they are part of some elitist cult. On the whole they don’t take criticism lightly. It’s the audience that counts, not the damn camera. Although they’ve created a weird vibe about it recently, Komodo is interesting for sure. BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crevice Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Oliver Daniel said: That’s a bit sad. Some RED owners unfortunately act like they are part of some elitist cult. On the whole they don’t take criticism lightly. It’s the audience that counts, not the damn camera. Although they’ve created a weird vibe about it recently, Komodo is interesting for sure. I was removed from the Facebook group because I argued that the footage should be critiqued and analyzed like any other footage. It’s a very weird vibe over there. Either you bow down to Jared or you get the boot. They also preach maturity, but can’t take any criticism. When the whole Red SSD fiasco happened, the amount of people defending Red on their forums were crazy. I don’t even dislike their cameras, but man it feels like you have to constantly walk on eggshells. tweak and sanveer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docmoore Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Not walking on eggshells .... I recently logged into RedU ... joined in 2011 ... initially had a Red One then an Epic ... upgrade ... It was the same ethos/gestalt/shtick then as now. Cult like ... with all the players dancing around the flame. Say the wrong thing and ... gone. Say the right thing and praise be! To be brutally honest ... RED has a great raw workflow and Graeme has done wonderful things with their color. Forward thinking with storage and hardware .... there is a core of dedicated good DPs who use RED ... and a contingent of wannabes who hope to leverage the name for personal gain ... they tend to be the shrill massed voice of approbation for any dissent ... and since they will open their hearts and credit cards ... seem to find great support from the team. So schade ... without a doubt the company and the cameras are good enough for them to drop the adolescent sex/power/anger posturing and join the rest of us who value great hardware ... good workflow and color science ... and value the contributions of Jim and Jarred who shook up the sleepy corporate giants ... forced them to compete ... Its a bit of the Burning Man gestalt ... rock till you drop ... and I get the thought. But going forward ... they need to find a way to embrace the faithful while encouraging others to join the fold. Won't happen over eggshells ... Gracious acceptance and embracing the confusion/questions/criticisms will lead them to a new level of acceptance and overwhelm their ability to deliver product. RED has historically been a bit challenged to step up manufacture of product ... the present California lockdown has magnified that liability but if they could ramp up production they could challenge the status quo .... perhaps forcing Canon to release a true Cine cam with RF mount. Go figure .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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