JurijTurnsek Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 On 12/13/2019 at 10:47 PM, androidlad said: We all know what it is. Paper says Quad Bayer pixels, yet there are only 15mpx of them? Seems weird. Shouldn't it be 4x as many pixels? Also, you claimed that this tech was licensed only to mobile phone chips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Also, why increase the mpx count to 15 if you are going to crop to 12mpx area for 120 fps? Hopefully, some kind of incredible EIS is being implemented? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, JurijTurnsek said: Paper says Quad Bayer pixels, yet there are only 15mpx of them? Seems weird. Shouldn't it be 4x as many pixels? Also, you claimed that this tech was licensed only to mobile phone chips? 60MP with 2 x 2 binned bayer = 15MP 2 hours ago, JurijTurnsek said: Also, why increase the mpx count to 15 if you are going to crop to 12mpx area for 120 fps? Hopefully, some kind of incredible EIS is being implemented? 15mp 1:1 4K readout = 1.3x crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 15, 2019 Administrators Share Posted December 15, 2019 Wonder if the 60MP mode will be implemented for stills? Or just 15MP. No 8K, I take it. Eno 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 8 hours ago, androidlad said: 60MP with 2 x 2 binned bayer = 15MP 15mp 1:1 4K readout = 1.3x crop. Indeed, but why? What good are the extra 3mpx in no-crop mode? I really hope they implement some killer EIS, since Sony has been lagging in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted December 15, 2019 Author Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said: Indeed, but why? What good are the extra 3mpx in no-crop mode? I really hope they implement some killer EIS, since Sony has been lagging in that regard. It has to be 1:1 readout for speed, it can't supersample 4K in 120P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, androidlad said: It has to be 1:1 readout for speed, it can't supersample 4K in 120P. 1.3x crop 1:1 readout at 4K120p is pretty awesome for a camera in this form factor. 3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: Wonder if the 60MP mode will be implemented for stills? Or just 15MP. No 8K, I take it. I doubt it, because then it puts a big question mark on why to buy a A7RIV. Maybe it will feature a 6K mode to keep up with the S1H and P6K and SL2. I like 6K as a nice middle ground for 4K deliverables when it comes to picture quality and file size (internal recording). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted December 15, 2019 Administrators Share Posted December 15, 2019 Are those high-frame rate 4k modes letterboxed crop, or stretched pixels taller than they are wide - is that possible with Quad Bayer? Line skipped or binned? I don't see any mention of phase-detect AF on-chip, is that normal for it to be left out of the specs sheet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 They made this specs sheet cause there are customers for this sensor other than Sony Imaging. But who are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4cl00 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 A first step for Sony could be is to ask: “do you want to film or take pictures”? This could be a hardware switch. Then the UI only shows what’s relevant to that choice. Things like that. Rethink the bloody UI from the ground up. Involve UX designers who aren’t filmmaker experts, involve filmmakers and photographers as subject matter consultants. Keep engineers away from UX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Eric Calabros said: They made this specs sheet cause there are customers for this sensor other than Sony Imaging. But who are they? Blackmagic, Panasonic, Nikon, Olympus, Sigma, Leica. Not Canon or FujiFilm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abehalpert Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Didn't this sensor leak in July? https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/here-are-the-six-new-next-sony-full-frame-sensors-with-quad-bayer-structure/ Also, is it possible that it can do phase detect AF using microlenses that cover a 2x2 patch of pixels instead of individual pixels? https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.gsmarena.com/sony_unveils_2x2_onchip_lens_tech_for_quad_bayer_sensors_which_promises_better_af_performance-amp-40523.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Video Hummus said: Blackmagic, Panasonic, Nikon, Olympus, Sigma, Leica. Not Canon or FujiFilm Fuji does use Sony sensors... noone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRV1981 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Is it dumb to drop my XT2 and jump to the a7iii if this is a few months away? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchtape Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 If you want a bcam then why not... But at this point who knows when it will actually be available... It's already been 2 years since it's expected release! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaylee Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 do u guys expect this to be wildly light sensitive (with better color) because of quad bayer...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako Sports Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, SRV1981 said: Is it dumb to drop my XT2 and jump to the a7iii if this is a few months away? No, come to the darkside. ? Pedro, SRV1981, noone and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mako Sports said: No, come to the darkside. ? Smdh! ? 3 hours ago, SRV1981 said: Is it dumb to drop my XT2 and jump to the a7iii if this is a few months away? Dumb? No. Unnecessary? Probably. If you're seriously considering buying this I'd wait to see when it will be released and what the specs actually are. You also might find used prices on A7iii cameras dropping on the used market once it's announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, kaylee said: do u guys expect this to be wildly light sensitive (with better color) because of quad bayer...? Nope. The only advantage is that it doesn't need thick AA filter for native 4k, which is good thing. At 60mp, its not like real 60mp. HDR mode will look artifact free, but sacrifices resolution and noise performance. kaylee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 hours ago, androidlad said: It has to be 1:1 readout for speed, it can't supersample 4K in 120P. You misunderstand me. What is keeping Sony from making a 48mpx (12mpx output) sensor that does 120p with no crop. Who even cares about the additional 3mpx, unless there is some important reason behind this choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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