Canon EOS 1D MKIII specs revealed

[aaa123jc]

Looks very impressive! I can't believe Canon actually allows RAW recording in their non-cinema line. And as long as there is Canon Log and DPAF, I will be very happy. Oh, wait, it's $6499. Can't afford ?.

With this money I can get a proper video camera. I'm looking at an used Sony FS700. It is quite cheap on eBay now. It also looks very massive and bulky which my clients always like. I can even get a new EVA-1 or C200. I can buy lenses. I can buy pro audio equipment (a neumann M149 will be very nice). Or I can pay rents for a few months. I guess I'm just not professional enough to own this kind of camera. 

I can see why this can be considered as one of the best hybrid camera, but I don't think mirrorless like A7R4, SH1, Z7 or even XT3 are much inferior to it to justify the price difference.  

[IronFilm]

1 hour ago, aaa123jc said:

I'm looking at an used Sony FS700. It is quite cheap on eBay now.

Indeed! Sub $1K
Wish there was an "Atomos Samurai V", would be the perfect partnership.  Currently, an original Shogun is the cheapest pairing. 
 

1 hour ago, aaa123jc said:

It also looks very massive and bulky which my clients always like.

It's true that "appearances matter", unfortunate, but true. Handy to have a "big pro camera", even if it is just for the sit down interview stuff. 

Then grab a secondhand a7Smk1 or a6x000 to run around and grab the B Roll / gimbal / specialist (such as crane / car rig) shots. 

Probably what I'd do if I got back into the camera dept side of things. 

 

1 hour ago, aaa123jc said:

I can even get a new EVA-1 or C200.

Saw the Panasonic EVA1 for as low as US$3.5K-ish brand new greymarket on eBay a year ago, sadly prices seem to have gone up since then. 

1 hour ago, aaa123jc said:

I can buy pro audio equipment (a neumann M149 will be very nice).

For studio work? As on location shooting a Neumann KM185D + Neumann KMR81i would be far far more useful Neumann mics to have. 

[aaa123jc]

12 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Indeed! Sub $1K
Wish there was an "Atomos Samurai V", would be the perfect partnership.  Currently, an original Shogun is the cheapest pairing. 
 

It's true that "appearances matter", unfortunate, but true. Handy to have a "big pro camera", even if it is just for the sit down interview stuff. 

Then grab a secondhand a7Smk1 or a6x000 to run around and grab the B Roll / gimbal / specialist (such as crane / car rig) shots. 

Probably what I'd do if I got back into the camera dept side of things. 

 

Saw the Panasonic EVA1 for as low as US$3.5K-ish brand new greymarket on eBay a year ago, sadly prices seem to have gone up since then. 

For studio work? As on location shooting a Neumann KM185D + Neumann KMR81i would be far far more useful Neumann mics to have. 

Yes, the Neumann M149 is for recording vocals in our little home studio. My girlfriend has been wanting to get this mic for a few years. Seriously, for $6499 I can even get a Tube-Tech CL 1B Compressor, a nicer addition to the home studio IMO. But we are not doing it professionally, so it is hard to pull the trigger. 

The appearances matter phenomenon is really strong in Hong Kong. I guess people are so used to the images of cinema cameras and TV Cameras that they think anything smaller is not impressive enough for them. A Sony FS700 and an external monitor is like a perfect combo for me. For shooting A Roll for performances, it is more than adequate. 

As for B Roll, mirrorless is so much better. Much lighter and more mobile. I've shot a charity event using an EVA-1 with a big V-mount battery, mostly handheld, for ten hours. My client was impressed, I was not ?.  

 

[IronFilm]

12 minutes ago, aaa123jc said:

As for B Roll, mirrorless is so much better. Much lighter and more mobile. I've shot a charity event using an EVA-1 with a big V-mount battery, mostly handheld, for ten hours. My client was impressed, I was not ?.  

 

Should've used the Panasonic batteries instead of V mount! As the EVA1 can be quite a small camera 

[aaa123jc]

1 minute ago, IronFilm said:

Should've used the Panasonic batteries instead of V mount! As the EVA1 can be quite a small camera 

Well it is next to impossible to buy Panasonic batteries here. And the rental store only has the single stock battery ?. Should have asked before I placed the order. Without the V-mount battery and the plate, it is very light indeed. And the image quality are so good. Sadly the rental store had sold it. 

[Gregormannschaft]

The specs are really nice, but 13 minutes or so on a 256GB card is crazy. It's nice to have the option and it's great there's a ton of codec options in there but that's a serious cinema camera bitrate for serious productions. Maybe it'll be used as a B or crash cam on some bigger productions.

I'm not entirely sure who this is for to be honest. It's a couple more grand more expensive than the C200 I bought a couple of years ago. My hopes for a middle codec have completely disappeared, but I can't see myself seriously requiring more than the Canon RawLite format. Once you start shooting in these really nice, thick codecs it quickly shows up other areas of your production that could be improved like lenses, lighting and sound. I'd argue that if you have a camera that can shoot decent RAW and you like shooting with it, there will be no real reason to upgrade for a long time. 

It's going to be too big for a lot of shooters used to mirrorless, and it's too expensive to be used as a B cam. I'm currently using the BMPCC4K as my B cam and gimbal cam and it pairs really well with the C200. You would have to have a very particular use case to warrant splashing out on the 1DXIII as a B cam.

Serious hybrid photographers maybe?

[gt3rs]

50 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said:

The specs are really nice, but 13 minutes or so on a 256GB card is crazy. It's nice to have the option and it's great there's a ton of codec options in there but that's a serious cinema camera bitrate for serious productions. Maybe it'll be used as a B or crash cam on some bigger productions.

I'm not entirely sure who this is for to be honest. It's a couple more grand more expensive than the C200 I bought a couple of years ago. My hopes for a middle codec have completely disappeared, but I can't see myself seriously requiring more than the Canon RawLite format. Once you start shooting in these really nice, thick codecs it quickly shows up other areas of your production that could be improved like lenses, lighting and sound. I'd argue that if you have a camera that can shoot decent RAW and you like shooting with it, there will be no real reason to upgrade for a long time. 

It's going to be too big for a lot of shooters used to mirrorless, and it's too expensive to be used as a B cam. I'm currently using the BMPCC4K as my B cam and gimbal cam and it pairs really well with the C200. You would have to have a very particular use case to warrant splashing out on the 1DXIII as a B cam.

Serious hybrid photographers maybe?

C200 and 1Dx III have the same price:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1512601-REG/canon_eos_1d_x_mark_iii.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340800-REG/canon_2215c002_eos_c200_ef_camera.html

 

Advantage of the C200:

Internal ND filter

Proper audio with XLR

Exposure helps like waveforms

EVF

More customization

30% smaller RAW file with proven workflow

DPAF in RAW 4k 60p

SDI

Movable LCD

 

Advantage of the 1Dx III:

Can take picture, actually this is the main goal of this camera.

FF vs. S35

5.5k RAW vs. 4k RAW

FF FHD 120fps with DPAF vs crop and no AF

Middle codec 10bit 4:2:2

Weather sealed

Smaller and a bit lighter

More gimbal friendly

More future proof memory cards and a bit cheaper

 

What we don’t know yet:

Low light performance

DR

Rolling shutter

1Dx III RAW workflow

 

Again if you do only video c200 is probably the better choice other than gimbal work and harsh conditions.

But if you do photo and video then it becomes more interesting especially if you are in the action/sports etc.. area.

[Matthew19]

3 hours ago, Gregormannschaft said:

The specs are really nice, but 13 minutes or so on a 256GB card is crazy. It's nice to have the option and it's great there's a ton of codec options in there but that's a serious cinema camera bitrate for serious productions. Maybe it'll be used as a B or crash cam on some bigger productions.
 

I said the same thing about the 1dxII MJPEG files. 3 Years later I'm shooting weddings on it. It's important to remember that the RAW option will become more viable as time goes on and storage gets cheaper. 

[Gregormannschaft]

46 minutes ago, Matthew19 said:

I said the same thing about the 1dxII MJPEG files. 3 Years later I'm shooting weddings on it. It's important to remember that the RAW option will become more viable as time goes on and storage gets cheaper. 

This is true, but it still requires a sizeable investment over time to buy new drives and media. I find things get cheaper, but sizes go up. The RAWLite out of the C200 is just about manageable to the moment, with 256GB getting you about 30 mins of record time.

 

3 hours ago, gt3rs said:

C200 and 1Dx III have the same price.

 

Advantage of the C200:

Internal ND filter

Proper audio with XLR

Exposure helps like waveforms

EVF etc

 

Advantage of the 1Dx III:

Can take picture, actually this is the main goal of this camera.

FF vs. S35

5.5k RAW vs. 4k RAW

FF FHD 120fps with DPAF vs crop and no AF etc

 

This is nicely broken down. I purchased a second hand (never used) C200 from a production house 2 years back for just over 5k euros which was a great deal at the time. So if you buy second hand you can easily get cheaper prices.

I'm not entirely sure why you'd want the 1DXIII if you're doing both video and photo. It offers the extreme best of both world, but do many jobs really require you to be shooting 5K Raw and using a top of the line professional photo camera? I guess the middle broadcast codec is a great thing to have for some photojournalists out there and the more I think about it the more I think that's who will really end up buying and using this camera to its full ability.

The rest of us probably specialise on one side or the other. Doing only video, once you have internal NDs and built in XLR audio it's very hard to go back.

[Matthew19]

Is the EU tax on the 30minute recording limit still active or  is Canon limiting it as a cripple? 

[Django]

 

2 hours ago, Gregormannschaft said:

This is true, but it still requires a sizeable investment over time to buy new drives and media. I find things get cheaper, but sizes go up. The RAWLite out of the C200 is just about manageable to the moment, with 256GB getting you about 30 mins of record time.

 

This is nicely broken down. I purchased a second hand (never used) C200 from a production house 2 years back for just over 5k euros which was a great deal at the time. So if you buy second hand you can easily get cheaper prices.

I'm not entirely sure why you'd want the 1DXIII if you're doing both video and photo. It offers the extreme best of both world, but do many jobs really require you to be shooting 5K Raw and using a top of the line professional photo camera? I guess the middle broadcast codec is a great thing to have for some photojournalists out there and the more I think about it the more I think that's who will really end up buying and using this camera to its full ability.

The rest of us probably specialise on one side or the other. Doing only video, once you have internal NDs and built in XLR audio it's very hard to go back.

Well I'm a C200/5D/EOS R owner and although this setup covers every scenario and allows multi-cam setups with one set of lens, I can't help but drool over this 1DX3 and it's 10-bit internal, 5.4K RAW & sports photo specs.

It could potentially replace all 3 of my Canon cams.

C200 is the toughest to let go of because its my favourite cine cam ever as far as workflow, ease of use etc. It makes everything else feel like a PITA (including my FS7). 

CRAW Lite is also a breeze to use in DavinCi with simple drag n drop of the CRM. It looks from the Canon videos you'll need a friggin utility to convert the CRM to a TIF with 1DX3 RAW (that could obviously change) and the crazy file sizes of course.

1DX3 remains tempting. Trying to resist the urge.

[gt3rs]

34 minutes ago, Django said:

 

Well I'm a C200/5D/EOS R owner and although this setup covers every scenario and allows multi-cam setups with one set of lens, I can't help but drool over this 1DX3 and it's 10-bit internal, 5.4K RAW & sports photo specs.

It could potentially replace all 3 of my Canon cams.

C200 is the toughest to let go of because its my favourite cine cam ever as far as workflow, ease of use etc. It makes everything else feel like a PITA (including my FS7). 

CRAW Lite is also a breeze to use in DavinCi with simple drag n drop of the CRM. It looks from the Canon videos you'll need a friggin utility to convert the CRM to a TIF with 1DX3 RAW (that could obviously change) and the crazy file sizes of course.

1DX3 remains tempting. Trying to resist the urge.

I really hope that more sooner than later Resolve will support this new CRM format. No interest at all to go through a middle step utility. Workflow and video quality are still the big unknown.

In your case I would wait for some comparison between the 5.5k RAW of the 1Dx to the 4k S35 C200 RAW and 4K FF 10bit vs 4K S35 8bit before taking any action. It could be a step up in quality or a Canon disaster...
I do expect also the DPAF on the 1Dx III to be a bit better than the C200 but not sure.

I wanted to add a C200 to my 1Dx II but many times I need to walk and having two cameras to carry with different battery etc. is a pita.
Also for flight traveling the space in cabin bag is super limited.

Bottom-line if it has better in video quality than the 1Dx II (as it should be) I will sell the II and buy the III, but only after some good tests.

 

[Mako Sports]

3 hours ago, Matthew19 said:

Is the EU tax on the 30minute recording limit still active or  is Canon limiting it as a cripple? 

EU tax ended a few years ago, the 30 minute limit is just Canon crippling.

1 hour ago, Django said:

1DX3 remains tempting. Trying to resist the urge.

Go ahead and pre order it

[currensheldon]

This camera is very tempting and I love Canon, though I find the EOS R a total pain to use (and the rolling shutter really is bad). Much rather use an S1H or Fuji, which are actually fun to use and hold. But, I have lots of EF glass, shoot with the C200 or C300 II quite a bit, so staying with Canon for awhile.

While the 1DX III is very tempting, I don't see myself using the raw that much because the file sizes are huuuuuuge - though full-frame 4k in 10-bit 422 is awesome. C200 4K raw is my max and even that isn't something I can use on most projects. I think the Red Komodo could be a game changer for Canon. They are going to sell a lot of EF and RF lenses because of that camera, I believe. I've almost went in on a C500 II purchase, but didn't. I've almost pre-ordered this camera, but didn't. I've almost ditched Canon completely and ported everything over to Panasonic or Fuji, but haven't. 

And the main reason is the promise of the Red Komodo and a Canon RF Cinema EOS body (NAB 2020?) and the potential that an RF mirrorless camera with 1DX III specs is very close to arriving. I hate this wait-and-see approach, but so much is changing right now in mounts and tech, that waiting another 6-months might be a good bet...

[Rinad Amir]

2 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

EU tax ended a few years ago, the 30 minute limit is just Canon crippling.

Go ahead and pre order it

Alr3ady did wanna give Canon chance and it would be companion to my S1H lol 

[Silenkiller]

id love to see some side by side video off the canon vs say the s1h see if its even noticeable difference 

[Rinad Amir]

Also wana add total price in euro including tax 7800 witch change ?so folks in usa are lucky to get it cheaper

[Django]

14 hours ago, aaa123jc said:

The appearances matter phenomenon is really strong in Hong Kong. I guess people are so used to the images of cinema cameras and TV Cameras that they think anything smaller is not impressive enough for them.

 

15 hours ago, IronFilm said:

It's true that "appearances matter", unfortunate, but true. Handy to have a "big pro camera", even if it is just for the sit down interview stuff. 

Truth. I had two gigs in Asia last year (Tokyo & Beijing) and the clients insisted we bring our cine cams. It was kinda clear it was more for appearance reasons than anything else!

6 hours ago, gt3rs said:

In your case I would wait for some comparison between the 5.5k RAW of the 1Dx to the 4k S35 C200 RAW and 4K FF 10bit vs 4K S35 8bit before taking any action. It could be a step up in quality or a Canon disaster...
I do expect also the DPAF on the 1Dx III to be a bit better than the C200 but not sure.

I wanted to add a C200 to my 1Dx II but many times I need to walk and having two cameras to carry with different battery etc. is a pita.
Also for flight traveling the space in cabin bag is super limited.

I travelled across the globe for those two aforementioned gigs with a TSA/cabin approved Think Tank.  Fit FS7, A7III, Atomos V, Lenses, Macbook, Batteries etc. Best purchase I made.

But obviously a cine cam isn't as practical to run around with than a DSLR/MILC. I just don't know if I'm ready to trade cine cam ergo & features for a DSLR.. feels like a step back in a few ways!

Will definitely wait for more extensive 1DX3 video reviews.

5 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

Go ahead and pre order it

Nah. See the above!

[IronFilm]

1 hour ago, Django said:

Truth. I had two gigs in Asia last year (Tokyo & Beijing) and the clients insisted we bring our cine cams. It was kinda clear it was more for appearance reasons than anything else!

 

Yup, once had a director disappointed when I showed up with a teeny BMPCC to shoot this:
 

 
He insisted on using a RED ONE MX for another shoot, ha! (sorry, still got no footage from that to share yet) Even though I'm not personally the greatest fan of the R1 at all. Ah well, whatever makes the client happy! :-) 

[mechanicalEYE]

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