Silenkiller Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 ugh now i cant decide if i wanna stick with panasonic s1rs or make the move to 1dxm3 and two eos r's.. FML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Silenkiller said: ugh now i cant decide if i wanna stick with panasonic s1rs or make the move to 1dxm3 and two eos r's.. FML Stick with Panasonic, it is the cheaper/saner solution. I doubt you can have one truly compelling reason that can properly justify moving across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenkiller Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Stick with Panasonic, it is the cheaper/saner solution. I doubt you can have one truly compelling reason that can properly justify moving across. truthfully i like the out of camera skin tones from canon the best out of any system. so that could potentially free up a lot of time in my workflow which has some nice value to me. pannys are only 8 bit, but i dont really see huge issues with 8 bit vs 10 bit for what im doing either. so really it comes down to the color science. i do like that IBIS in these s1r's though hot damn i never thought it would be so useful but sometimes its really nice to have. oh and the panasonics have a 15min 4k record limit before u have to start recording again so thats pretty annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Mokara said: Probably because the amount of data the camera has to handle is too large. They don't do these things for no reason, it is usually because of limitations in the hardware. Well, with stills the raw data is going into the buffer, so it does not impose a resource drain on DPAF. When the buffer is full the fps will drop by a lot. With video there is a constant requirement for compression (there is a 1:2 compression ratio for RAW as per Androidlad's specs), so there will be a difference. It has unlimited buffer in RAW for stills. CRAW is also unlimited and is compressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, IronFilm said: Stick with Panasonic, it is the cheaper/saner solution. I doubt you can have one truly compelling reason that can properly justify moving across. - Colour science (allthough we need to wait for demo footage) - Stills: If I compare still quality between canon, sony or panasonic. Canon easily wins (maybe also personal preference). - RAW: internal RAW. not external prores raw which is not supported in Resolve. Allthough the 1DX is really big for a dslr type camera. But it could easily replace 2 or 3 camera's in my bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 - DPAF (slaughters Panasonics DFD AF) - Native lens selection 7 hours ago, Robert Collins said: IF the rumored specs are true, this looks to be a rather odd release from Canon. There doesnt appear to be any major improvement in the specs for stills - basically the same frame rate, resolution and processors as the 1DX mkii. There has been a bump in the video specs but the 1DX is inherently a flagship stills camera. Nothing odd about it. If ain't broke don't fix it. 1D line has never been about resolution. And I'm pretty sure we're approaching mechanical limits for FPS. What does matter and has vastly improved in the Mark III is: 10-bit HEIF (vs 8-bit JPG) AF (28 times the resolution, almost 100% coverage, new deep learning AI tech, eye AF) MF Peaking, Focus Guide FPS (16 to 20 vs 14 to 16) CFExpress (five times the buffer depth) Twice file transfer speed ..etc This update is a lot more substantial than lets say the A9 II which rehashes the same sensor, AF system, burst rate.. and (8-bit) video specs! plucas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Any release dates yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Django said: - DPAF (slaughters Panasonics DFD AF) - Native lens selection Nothing odd about it. If ain't broke don't fix it. 1D line has never been about resolution. And I'm pretty sure we're approaching mechanical limits for FPS. What does matter and has vastly improved in the Mark III is: 10-bit HEIF (vs 8-bit JPG) AF (28 times the resolution, almost 100% coverage, new deep learning AI tech, eye AF) MF Peaking, Focus Guide FPS (16 to 20 vs 14 to 16) CFExpress (five times the buffer depth) Twice file transfer speed ..etc This update is a lot more substantial than lets say the A9 II which rehashes the same sensor, AF system, burst rate.. and (8-bit) video specs! Also - 20 fps fully silent with servo AF. In some occasions the 1Dx II is too loud for the environment. - Integrated WiFi, the dongle is a real pita - many choices of video bitrates Curios to see: 120fps quality, hope is a bit improved although I doubt 4k FF quality If it DPAF in 4k 60fps crop If it can record video on two cards simultaneously Rolling shutter in 5.4 and 4k and in electronic shutter Unlimited recording time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokara Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, gt3rs said: It has unlimited buffer in RAW for stills. CRAW is also unlimited and is compressed. The specs say the buffer is 1000 frames. That is a lot, but not unlimited. That corresponds to ~50 seconds at 20 fps, which is more than you will ever need shooting stills. After that you will be limited by whatever the file write rate is. To have unlimited raw stills at 20 fps you would need a card write speed of ~ 800 MB/s, and somehow I rather doubt that the camera is capable of doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mokara said: The specs say the buffer is 1000 frames. That is a lot, but not unlimited. That corresponds to ~50 seconds at 20 fps, which is more than you will ever need shooting stills. After that you will be limited by whatever the file write rate is. To have unlimited raw stills at 20 fps you would need a card write speed of ~ 800 MB/s, and somehow I rather doubt that the camera is capable of doing that. At 25 MB x 1000 frames = 25 GB Ram I really doubt that the camera has that amount of Ram. You need around 500 MB/s for unlimited buffer and cfexpress can do 1400..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Rinad Amir said: Any release dates yet? Announcement tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Not sure if is a trusted source but here they say that DPAF 4k dci crop 60fps is active http://thenewcamera.com/canon-1dx-mark-iii-video-details/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 8:16 PM, Super8 said: Panasonic cameras can't AF at all. They also don't have Canon color, etc, etc. That’s why nobody bought the S1 series and they are 50% off. Super8 and Stanly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, wolf33d said: That’s why nobody bought the S1 series and they are 50% off. Are they really 50%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Actual shipping date seems to be mid February 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 To put some reality in to the crippling story, I really think that this time Canon did the max that was possible in a FF weather sealed fan less hybrid DSLR. There is no other Full Frame camera < 10k usd that come close to these rumored specs Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 60fps + good video AF: Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Canon C500 II 16k usd Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 60fps: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally > 5k RAW 30fps: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd (only with optional recorder > 6k usd) Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder 7k >usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k RAW: RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd (only with optional recorder > 6k usd) Canon C700 FF >33k usd (only with optional codex recorder >7k usd) Kinefinity Mavo LF 12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Alexa Mini LF > 58k usd Alexa LF > 98k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k 30fps 10bit 4:2:2 LOG + good video AF Sony FX9 11k usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Full frame camera that can record internally >= 4k 30fps 10bit 4:2:2 LOG RED MONSTRO 8K VV >54K usd Sony VENICE > 42k usd Canon C700 FF >33k usd Sony FX9 11k usd Kinefinity Mavo LF >12k usd Canon C500 II 16k usd Canon 1Dx III 6.5k usd Alexa Mini LF > 58k usd Alexa LF > 98k usd Panasonic SH1 4k usd Naturally this is based on rumored spec and it just a spec comparison only, image quality, ease of use and job suitability is another story. Again if you are video only a C200 or FX9 or C500 II is probably a better investment, for hybrid shooter like me it seem a huge upgrade from 1Dx II for video. Then maybe in a week Sony announce the famous ready to launch since 2018 A7s III with 6k RAW at 60 fps with AF for 3.5k usd, but right now there is really nothing close. Stanly, nickname and zerocool22 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Leaked Japanese retail pricing for 1DX III is 880,000JPY after tax, that's equivalent of 8,140USD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, androidlad said: Leaked Japanese retail pricing for 1DX III is 880,000JPY after tax, that's equivalent of 8,140USD. No way? You go Canon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinad Amir Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Id say about 8k euro incl vat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 all that rumour states is some shops in Japan have started taking pre-orders for 792,000JPY incl tax which roughly converts to 6.500 euros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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