thebrothersthre3 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, Nikkor said: Is there a way to fix the alien colors? color grading 😅 Andrew does make color profiles for the Sony cameras... hint hint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Nikkor said: Is there a way to fix the alien colors? I disagree about alien colour though AWB colour can be very off at night.   If you want to play with things in camera, there is the Sony live view grading app.   You could play with hundreds of combinations every day for years and still not exhaust them.  And as stated, Andrew's colour profiles.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkor Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 8:27 PM, noone said: I disagree about alien colour though AWB colour can be very off at night.   If you want to play with things in camera, there is the Sony live view grading app.   You could play with hundreds of combinations every day for years and still not exhaust them.  And as stated, Andrew's colour profiles.  I don't want to spend any time trying things out, I just want a balanced image without color correcting the way I have it on my stills camera. I thought there might be a color space problem that got fixed after some time. I guess the A7s is a no go then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadcode Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Nikkor said: I thought there might be a color space problem. Exactly. The users do not convert S-gamut to rec709 colorspace. That is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 4:38 PM, heart0less said: That's the point I was making a while ago! Why should we bother with 8K, etc. if 90% of viewers will watch our work on their phones / tablets? 1080p is still king. Because you get a better image 8K down to 4K just like 4K down to 2K. Filming at 1080p is not king. If you were right then lets just use phones to record content since EVERYONE is viewing on phones and tablets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heart0less Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Super8 said: If you were right then lets just use phones to record content since EVERYONE is viewing on phones and tablets. Well, most of the contemporary content creators actually do that. I'm not a big fan of using my phone to take photos / make videos, only because it's not ergonomic and I can't rely on it as much, as I can on my camera. Image quality is totally acceptable. Truth be told, I'm constantly amazed at what these little sensors and chipsets are capable of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 2:29 AM, Nikkor said: I don't want to spend any time trying things out, I just want a balanced image without color correcting the way I have it on my stills camera. I thought there might be a color space problem that got fixed after some time. I guess the A7s is a no go then. Again, I disagree there IS a problem.   The Live view grading app is just meant to give those who want it millions of settings to apply in camera.  Most would find something they like fairly quickly but if you WANTED to check every setting, that could take years but you do not have to. The colour "issue" to me is the AWB in (some) artificial light and that takes a couple of seconds to change.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 1:24 PM, thebrothersthre3 said: Sony is stupid for not doing the same style camera with 10 bit, new AF, and Venice color There's clearly an issue building a sensor to have both beautiful color science and extreme low light sensitivity. Canon 1DXii would do well in these scenarios too. It is also 5 times the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, BenEricson said: There's clearly an issue building a sensor to have both beautiful color science and extreme low light sensitivity. Canon 1DXii would do well in these scenarios too. It is also 5 times the price. Sony's other cameras have the same kind of color issues, I don't think it has to do with the camera being good in lowlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 When you pull that much gain with such high ISOs, it's bound to affect the color fidelity a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 One of the reasons ARRI is so good, it holds onto good colors even as you move up the ISO range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, mercer said: When you pull that much gain with such high ISOs, it's bound to affect the color fidelity a bit. It looks funky at base ISO, its not a color fidelity issue.   8 minutes ago, IronFilm said: One of the reasons ARRI is so good, it holds onto good colors even as you move up the ISO range it also holds on underexposed too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercer Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: It looks funky at base ISO, its not a color fidelity issue. I was referring to your comment about an a7s with Venice color. I actually kinda like the grungy, funky colors of the a7s... it reminds me of an older indie film look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 To me, the colour is better than others in low light (once you have your WB set) maybe because noise gets out of the way.    in low light, people do not see anywhere near as great a DR as we do on good light so it does not matter if it is reduced but the A7s just has the DR reduce at a more gentle rate than other cameras.   The AWB is a bit off at any ISO in artificial light (EG for long exposure at ISO 100 at night along a city street).  It is fine in daylight.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Generally Sony is known for not having the best skintones as well as not doing well in mixed lighting. That certainly can be got around by someone who knows how to grade and of course nailing white balance and shooting in good lighting with good exposure helps a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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