zerocool22 Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Hello, Just wondering how much you guys are earning as freelance videographers per month. Before and after taxes (which can be massively different depending where you are located) Before tax: After taxes: Location: Type of jobs that you do: (Corporate/weddings/commercials/event/...) Cheers Belle and Alt Shoo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregormannschaft Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 1 hour ago, zerocool22 said: Hello, Just wondering how much you guys are earning as freelance videographers per month. Before and after taxes (which can be massively different depending where you are located) Before tax: After taxes: Location: Type of jobs that you do: (Corporate/weddings/commercials/event/...) Cheers Err, you first. Mako Sports, kaylee, IronFilm and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share Posted February 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said: Err, you first. I'm not a professional videographer. But looking into if its worth switching careers over. I know I will probably earn less, which is not the most important, but I do need to be able to support my family with it(which is the most important). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I'm an amateur, so I make $0 before tax, and my P&L shows huge net losses every year... Having said that, I've watched a bunch of YT videos from people who are actually professional film-makers (weddings, music videos, corporates, etc) and I've found there are a few common threads: You get paid almost nothing at the start You will get paid for work one or two 'levels' below what you're actually delivering How much you get paid is limited by your ability to sell, and your confidence in yourself The sky is the limit, just like in professional stills photography where you have weekend warriors who don't cover equipment or fuel costs and you also have famous photogs who are rolling in it If you work hard and do the right things to grow fast, then you can make a comfortable living (ie, more than an average office job) in only a few years It's worth watching a bunch of YT videos on it and there's surprising amounts of info out there. People won't tell you how much, but they do discuss how much jobs earn and likely costs, or some talk about how their income breaks down in percentage terms, etc. Good luck! and get ready to work your ass off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 In 2019: -$23,456.12 Hooray! Self funding your own movies is fun. Cinegain, IronFilm, TheRenaissanceMan and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 I've been doing this for a decade and 2017 was the first year that I cracked low six figures, before taxes. I shoot, edit, and color behind the scenes and EPK for the major studios. What I make after taxes is between me and my accountant. I live in Los Angeles so living expenses are astronomical. My advice: take care of your body. I tore my rotator cuff six months ago and lugging cases from job to job has been hell on earth. Still haven't fully healed. zerocool22 and kaylee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 Any chance you could ease your way into the industry ? Do weekend video work perhaps, build a portfolio that sort of thing. I imagine changing careers, cold turkey would be quite stressful for everyone involved, especially so if there is less money coming in. Not sure anyone is going to give you a completely honest answer. Who wants some new kid on the block digging away at their turf ? its a bit like the youtube question on, how much money people make. Nobody is going to say its a walk in the park and their living the life of riley. Cause then everyone would would jump on the band wagon. If you have been doing some video work on weekends and getting paid for it and you can almost make ends meet, i'd say go for it. Otherwise you might be better off chipping away at it for a bit longer. Thats my 2 cents worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 My advice: try to get repeat clients to go on contract for a monthly retainer. My freelance work was up and down and very unreliable for years, but once I got my first client on a retainer, things have gone much more smoothly for me, the consistent monthly paychecks have been awesome while still being able to enjoy the flexibility of freelance. One tip for negotiating these kinds of deals with clients is to look through job listings for full-time video work in your area, contacting the companies in question and pitching a freelance retainer solution instead, which they might be happy to do since it will save them a lot of money in the long-run, so it's a win-win. Best of luck! It's a lot more fun doing what you love. BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Goodwin2 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The only money I make is from a part-time job and I am a part-time student as well. Filmmaking when you are starting out does not pay well, because well the competition is these professional music videos for pop singers and these Hollywood movies despite how negative that sounds. We are like the indie bands at a rock concert where the majority of the audience wants to see the main bands. heart0less 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Before tax: between zero and a million dollars After taxes: Much much much less than before tax Location: Auckland NZ Type of jobs that you do: Sound TheRenaissanceMan and BenEricson 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I make a living, but nothing amazing. (Weddings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Zak Forsman said: I've been doing this for a decade and 2017 was the first year that I cracked low six figures, before taxes. I shoot, edit, and color behind the scenes and EPK for the major studios. What I make after taxes is between me and my accountant. I live in Los Angeles so living expenses are astronomical. My advice: take care of your body. I tore my rotator cuff six months ago and lugging cases from job to job has been hell on earth. Still haven't fully healed. Yeah health is nr 1, hope you recover fully soon. Yeah that are some depressing numbers man. I feel like anything below a 6 numbers pay per year is on the edge of beeing worth it. (As you have to calculate pension/sickdays/insurance/periods with low income/less jobs...) i dont think I can stretch it for 7 years below that number though. Finding enough jobs to fill each weekday is one my main concerns though. People working for less then minimum wage are kinda screwing over everybody in the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 hour ago, zerocool22 said: Yeah health is nr 1, hope you recover fully soon. Yeah that are some depressing numbers man. I feel like anything below a 6 numbers pay per year is on the edge of beeing worth it. (As you have to calculate pension/sickdays/insurance/periods with low income/less jobs...) i dont think I can stretch it for 7 years below that number though. Finding enough jobs to fill each weekday is one my main concerns though. People working for less then minimum wage are kinda screwing over everybody in the industry. Also it does not make sense when a housepainter makes more money then a videographer that owns more then 100* times costs in gear. Allthough I am not a fan of capitalism and find the world of today very mis -divided, as I am more a fan of rewarding people to what they can do their extent. As atm if you are born less fortunate (handicapped, lower IQ, ugly or just even in the wrong country) you are discriminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleison Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 6 hours ago, zerocool22 said: As atm if you are born less fortunate (handicapped, lower IQ, ugly or just even in the wrong country) you are discriminated. This has always been the case. No time in history has those born handicapped, lower IQ, ugly or just even in the wrong country NEVER been discriminated against for any real length of time. From the promise of "equality" for all during the Russian revolution which lead to millions of average Russians to mass graves to Venezuela's "government knows best and destroy the capitalist" -- those that are stupid, ugly, handicapped have borne the brunt of the food shortages, murders, rapes, etc. Those that are smarter, more cunning, ruthless, takes advantage of the less fortunate. HOWEVER, as the world moves away from the mentality that a central government (dictators, rule by fiat, socialism, etc) should rule; the average citizens quality of life has gotten better. Nobody starves anymore. In western culture, for most average people, instead of being forced to go to war or have your home taken away, one of the biggest issue of the less fortunate is not famine, disease or mass murder through unpractical policy; but eating too much. There is an obesity problem for the less fortunate now. And well, that's usually an issue with self control. One of the benefits of the policies enacted in Venezuela is the obesity rate has gone down. I'm not quite sure what the point of my post is... but I have to get lunch now, soooo... whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Next to nothing lol. My goal is to get to around 60,000 a year freelancing locally. My claim to riches is hopefully one of the low budget films I produce makes it big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 hours ago, zerocool22 said: People working for less then minimum wage are kinda screwing over everybody in the industry. Supply and demand. Also, the devaluation of the service/product. 1 hour ago, eleison said: as the world moves away from the mentality that a central government (dictators, rule by fiat, socialism, etc) should rule Which direction you looking? leslie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Are most of the users on here hobbyists? (not that hobbyists can't create great video's/images but they probably have less experience with the moneymaking part of filmmaking) But I think this should be a more open topic where we all just can benefit from, if most of us work for a certain minimum rate, it would help the overal industry prices to maintain or increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinegain Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Used to be just for the pure enjoyment. Now, this year I'll look to see if doing it commercially on the side is viable (like, right now my work has got me scheduled off for a month (paid tho), so I might as well do something productive in that time). I hate the idea of having to shoot weddings, so, Imma focus on real estate as the bread and butter job. Perhaps can do some other more corporate style gigs, maybe in-house videos for companies, advertising, product shoots. At some point it would be cool to get into the fashion/music scene for more creative stuff. Maybe shorts. Still a bit clueless how to approach the whole doing it commercially thing and what to charge indeed. Probably more of an experiment at first. I'm not really too keen on doing things the way other people want me to and falling into the trap of merely being a puppet. Also, I love lighting/shooting but I rather dislike editing. But maybe there will be some cool collaborative efforts that actually do turn out to be great fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turboguard Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Before tax: Moeney After taxes: Less money Location: NYC Type of jobs that you do: Advertising, Music Video, Short film Stick to your guns. You asking if it's "worth" it, isn't going to get you anywhere, if you really want to do it, you will and that drive will get you your worth in cash. EthanAlexander and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 American Express make quite a bit out of my cinematography and video work. IronFilm and thebrothersthre3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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