Kelly Hicks Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Hi Everyone, I have an opportunity to shoot a quartet in a few venues around town. At the moment, I'm using a EOS R and 6D. The 4k crop in the EOS R is fine for this type of work, but I would like to upgrade the 6d since its only 1080p and also get another camera to give me more angles. The problem is that most of these venues are pretty dark, so I'm having to use 3200-6400 ISO on a full-frame. I can't figure out what would be a good match with the EOS R and also have low noise for high ISO work. Would some of the panasonics(m34) or other cameras be good for this? Since I probably need two more cameras I'm trying to watch my budget too. Any recommendations or advice is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 GH5S A7S A7SII A73 BM Pocket 4k BM Pocket 6k The Fuji XT3, XT-30, and XT2 are not bad at 6400 iso. The Sony A6400/A6300/A6100 etc.. also are pretty respectable. Not sure what your noise tolerances are. I'd not use any of panasonics M43 cameras at 6400 iso besides the GH5S. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Aside everything Tom has said, as far as I've seen from X-T4, Fuji's are pretty decent... thebrothersthre3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawshooter Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Sigma fp with CinemaDNG is excellent for low light, especially if you denoise with Neat Video Pro. Emanuel and thebrothersthre3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, rawshooter said: Sigma fp with CinemaDNG is excellent for low light, especially if you denoise with Neat Video Pro. He could get an EOS R for cheaper though which would make more sense if he's matching cameras. I feel like an XT3 especially used would be a great bargain. If you don't need 4k a used A7S is even cheaper plus the low light performance is the best money can buy. noone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Can you buy faster lenses? In general I like the S1H but I haven't tried the autofocus. Low light is excellent, maybe not best of the best but very very good. barefoot_dp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, HockeyFan12 said: Can you buy faster lenses? In general I like the S1H but I haven't tried the autofocus. Low light is excellent, maybe not best of the best but very very good. The S1 is amazing as well and auto focuses better(until they get that firmware update for the S1H). Both are more expensive than a used EOS R tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Just now, thebrothersthre3 said: The S1 is amazing as well and auto focuses better(until they get that firmware update for the S1H). Both are more expensive than a used EOS R tho Good point. For the price I suppose the S1 is the better option and not that different unless you really need C4K or the h264 codec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Could the EOS RP be an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefoot_dp Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 What lenses are you using at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenger 2.0 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 While not 4k, I would recommend a C100 for low light. The 1080p will be better (in quality and low light) than the EOS R 1080p and they are easy to match. You might even get away with mixing C100 1080p and EOS R 4k without anyone noticing. You can find these C100 like dirt cheap. Found myself one for 800€ with atomos ninja 2 and other stuff included. ntblowz, Kelly Hicks and thebrothersthre3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Avenger 2.0 said: While not 4k, I would recommend a C100 for low light. The 1080p will be better (in quality and low light) than the EOS R 1080p and they are easy to match. You might even get away with mixing C100 1080p and EOS R 4k without anyone noticing. You can find these C100 like dirt cheap. Found myself one for 800€ with atomos ninja 2 and other stuff included. Great idea actually. The C100 1080p is also pretty darn good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, barefoot_dp said: What lenses are you using at the moment? THIS! The moment a person brings up a complaint about "low light" the very first thing to ask is, "what lenses are you using?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Hicks Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 Thanks everyone. As far as lenses, I'm using all EF canon: 24-70mm/2.8 , 70-200mm/2.8, and 17-40mm/4. I think I may have to stick with 1080p as 4k is really not needed at the moment for this project and it might give me some more affordable options. The RP or C100 might be good enough since they are pretty decently priced. I wouldn't have thought about the C100, that seems like a good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 A sigma 18-35/1.8 would get you an extra stop+ and be optically better than the 17-40, there are lots of cheap sigma 1.4's that would get you 2 extra stops. I love the 28 and 35/1.4. I second the c100 again, prices are really low for a nice 1080p image. Good Luck Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Kelly Hicks said: Thanks everyone. As far as lenses, I'm using all EF canon: 24-70mm/2.8 , 70-200mm/2.8, and 17-40mm/4. I think I may have to stick with 1080p as 4k is really not needed at the moment for this project and it might give me some more affordable options. The RP or C100 might be good enough since they are pretty decently priced. I wouldn't have thought about the C100, that seems like a good fit. Yeah C100 is still pretty good after all these years, and their price came down a lot! Paired with sigma 18-35/50-100mm 1.8 you get really nice low light performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 A first version A7s (or second for that matter but dearer) and it does not MATTER what lenses you use as it is only getting warmed up at ISO 6400. You could use your existing 17-40 Canon f4 (as well as the others) with a cheapish adapter as long as you are happy with manual focus (AF is very slow with Canon lenses on the A7s). Even ISO"s like 25600 and higher still are usable in many cases with it ( I have had ordinary photos of bands published in newspapers at decent size at ISO 51200 with my first A7s). It can do 4k with a recorder later if you need it as well has having some of the best native 1080 still. You can also use it with fast (or any) primes as a 2x zoom if you like as well as having ok APSC mode (APSC is a bit limited for stills but fine for video use if not as good as FF). A7s , ISO 12800 with a Canon f4 lens (at 5.6) and ISO 102,400 again with a Canon f4 lens this time at f4 (in order to use a very fast shutter speed in low light) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Frame grab from a spur of the moment video shot this morning before dawn hand held and not even properly focused with a Canon 24 1.4 L lens at 5.6 and 1/50. Only have a 32GB card in so only lower quality AVCHD rather than XACVs as shot. Auto ISO but the photo I shot immediately after with the same settings was at ISO 32,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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