eatstoomuchjam Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 18 hours ago, hoodlum said: I thought I would resurrect this thread as it looks like Logitech will be announcing a new MEVO product on the 17th with the m43 sensor/mount. The video specs are not great but it will be interesting to see how far they take this. The 6400mAh battery should provide a very long run time. I'll be curious about the autofocus. AF is not so important when making cameras with small sensors and fairly wide-angle integrated lenses, but with a big sensor (comparatively) and the potential for fast lenses, it becomes a big deal (at least with a camera that is marketed to be for people who want to record themselves for streaming). If the price is fairly low, pairing it with something like the Olympus 75/1.8 could be kind of great for Zoom calls, etc. If the price isn't low, it won't make a lot of sense, given that one can get any number of APS-C and FF cameras with really decent PDAF/DPAF that support webcam protocols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, John Matthews said: I've done hundreds of hours now in English training. It's not my main gig, but it's good to do something a little different. I use a GH2 with the Olympus 17mm f/1.8, a M2 MacMini, a Behringer mixer, a Atem Mini, a Audio-Technica AT 875 R, an iPad Pro 12.9", an Apple Pencil, 3 cheap lights with softboxes, and some decent headphones. I've tried many other things too, but so far, this works best for me. My cardinal rule is to have as much as possible with a cord and no batteries as to reduce my single point failures. My only exception is the Apple Pencil, but I plug it in whenever I'm done. The key for me is to have as little setup time as possible- just flip one or two switches and I'm up and ready to go. I watched a bunch of ATEM Mini reviews yesterday and it looks like that would be a great setup to upgrade to once we're up and running. A few minor questions, if you happen to know: If you enable picture-in-picture and have it so that the setting persists between inputs, and then switch to input 1 (the source of the PiP) does it give you input 1 with a PiP of input 1? or does it disable the PiP for that angle? and if it does disable it, does it re-enable it when you swap to another angle? Does it delay the audio inputs to match the audio delay on the HDMI inputs? Did it get upgraded to have a multi-screen view on the HDMI out? or is it still limited to either Program or Preview? Is there any way to run macros from the hardware device? Having a custom PiP would be great but the PiP buttons erase any custom settings apparently. Unfortunately the best reviews were the ones done when it came out, and they are obviously only of the initial firmware. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 14 Super Members Share Posted March 14 8 hours ago, kye said: Unfortunately the best reviews were the ones done when it came out, and they are obviously only of the initial firmware. Try PhotoJoseph’s complete 3 1/2 hour masterclass here: The Mini Pro versions of the ATEM have the MultiView option for the HDMI output and the Extreme has the hardware macro buttons. Audio delay is adjustable per channel. If you can stretch to the ISO version of the Mini Pro or Extreme then each individual channel and the master are recorded to SSD along with a project file of all the cuts that you can then load directly into Resolve to re-cut it. If you are using BM cameras then you can then automatically swap in the original camera media and there is now a workaround (see PhotoJospeh’s channel) to do this with any camera. I have designed two products for the ATEM that will be released at the end of April and one of those will be of interest in terms of creating custom functionality for DVE etc as well as offering more direct control of existing functions that do not have dedicated hardware input on the control surface. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/14/2024 at 12:20 AM, kye said: I watched a bunch of ATEM Mini reviews yesterday and it looks like that would be a great setup to upgrade to once we're up and running. A few minor questions, if you happen to know: If you enable picture-in-picture and have it so that the setting persists between inputs, and then switch to input 1 (the source of the PiP) does it give you input 1 with a PiP of input 1? or does it disable the PiP for that angle? and if it does disable it, does it re-enable it when you swap to another angle? Does it delay the audio inputs to match the audio delay on the HDMI inputs? Did it get upgraded to have a multi-screen view on the HDMI out? or is it still limited to either Program or Preview? Is there any way to run macros from the hardware device? Having a custom PiP would be great but the PiP buttons erase any custom settings apparently. Unfortunately the best reviews were the ones done when it came out, and they are obviously only of the initial firmware. I use the ATEM mIni in a very simple way. Again, it's to limit the things that could go wrong, but it has been very reliable. I only use it to show my iPad screen (this can be very customizable). I just push the picture in picture button to "on" and there's my screen. I'm on the side of the screen so my students can still see me. There are macro features and tons of other things, but you cannot do simple things like play a media file (that's why I have the iPad). Also, a lot of stuff is simple too hard to get ready. On the iPad, it's a cake-walk. You could also use in combination with OBS or something. I have done this but find the iPad solution works better and it's more intuitive- again, no preparation provided I've prepared the lesson on the iPad in the first place. My goal was to simple go to the live setup area, turn on a power strip or two and connect. I should say that I only do one-to-one classes, not groups and it further simplifies everything. The number of variable is astounding and I'm surprised I've had few problems (knock on wood). In April, I'll be getting fiber put in (not that I really need it), but it could be the biggest challenge that my system has faced- wish me luck. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, John Matthews said: I use the ATEM mIni in a very simple way. Again, it's to limit the things that could go wrong, but it has been very reliable. I only use it to show my iPad screen (this can be very customizable). I just push the picture in picture button to "on" and there's my screen. I'm on the side of the screen so my students can still see me. There are macro features and tons of other things, but you cannot do simple things like play a media file (that's why I have the iPad). Also, a lot of stuff is simple too hard to get ready. On the iPad, it's a cake-walk. You could also use in combination with OBS or something. I have done this but find the iPad solution works better and it's more intuitive- again, no preparation provided I've prepared the lesson on the iPad in the first place. My goal was to simple go to the live setup area, turn on a power strip or two and connect. I should say that I only do one-to-one classes, not groups and it further simplifies everything. The number of variable is astounding and I'm surprised I've had few problems (knock on wood). In April, I'll be getting fiber put in (not that I really need it), but it could be the biggest challenge that my system has faced- wish me luck. Best of luck! The ATEM models do seem to be great, especially considering the historic price of such things (which every review painstakingly explains to you at the start) but they do seem to be very "industry". ie, the answer to every question is to build a TV station and hire an army of people to do everything manually in the same way it was done in the 1980s. This is similar to when I ask a question to any pro who works in the studio system and their answer is to shoot my home videos how a studio shoots a feature film. When I look at the ATEM device, I see a few buttons that do a single thing, and a few buttons that run some hard-coded macros. Why there aren't buttons to run the user-defined macros until you buy the $1000 Extreme model is silly - the Mini has buttons I won't need, let alone the 500 buttons on the Extreme. What you really need are a few buttons where you can store and then recall configurations, so you can have Config 1 with HDMI 1 (showing yourself), and Config 2 with custom PiP settings (showing your slides with you in PiP with custom location etc), etc, then you could swap back and forth without having to punch a bunch of buttons each time to re-create the settings while also looking professional in front of your audience. The saving grace is that in the default setup you can swap from HDMI 1 (you) to HDM1 2 (the presentation) without looking, and then when you have to look down at the ATEM to find the stupid PiP button at least they can't see you fumbling around because you aren't currently visible. It's typical BM though. Like with the Speed Editor - the middle and largest section of the controller is for multi-cam only and can't be configured to do anything else. Anyway, rant over. Using an iPad to run the slides seems like an elegant solution. I find that when you're presenting to a group, you need two main things: To see what you're sharing to the group To see the people in the group For my day job I do this using MS Teams (the platform chosen by corporate) and having a triple monitor setup where I have the meeting on one screen and I share another screen, so I can just drag any window I want onto that monitor and it's shared. I share a lot of different things like Word documents, Excel sheets, web content, as well as Powerpoint, etc. Oddly, Powerpoint tries to be "smart" with Teams, and when you're in Teams and hit the Present button in Powerpoint they try to be clever and talk to each other but just screw everything up. My wife is just getting setup and her business hasn't gone live yet, but she'll be using Powerpoint and Zoom with a USB webcam, which our early tests show is a similar situation with them trying to be clever but screwing it up. I suspect the eventual setup will be a real camera and a laptop running Powerpoint going into the ATEM, then that plugged via USB into a second laptop that is running Zoom and controlling the call. The goal is to be able to fit the whole setup in a suitcase for travel, including camera / tripod / switcher / lights / stands / diffusers / etc, so we can operate from anywhere. The laptops would fly carry-on of course. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted March 15 Super Members Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, kye said: What you really need are a few buttons where you can store and then recall configurations, so you can have Config 1 with HDMI 1 (showing yourself), and Config 2 with custom PiP settings (showing your slides with you in PiP with custom location etc), etc, then you could swap back and forth without having to punch a bunch of buttons each time to re-create the settings while also looking professional in front of your audience. The saving grace is that in the default setup you can swap from HDMI 1 (you) to HDM1 2 (the presentation) without looking, and then when you have to look down at the ATEM to find the stupid PiP button at least they can't see you fumbling around because you aren't currently visible. If you do go down the ATEM path then I think you might be interested in my new product as it addresses exactly this type of operation, amongst many other things. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said: If you do go down the ATEM path then I think you might be interested in my new product as it addresses exactly this type of operation, amongst many other things. You'll have to overcome your modesty and post about it when it's released 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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