User Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I remember that Andrew had a thread going quite some time ago on just how fucked Vimeo's business model had become, never mind their player. I'm a 'Plus' member and I absolutely can no longer stand their super fucked up 'ANALYTICS'. They should just go with the first 4 letters in naming this asinine feature implementation. Is there anyone else here who is thinking of ditching them for something else? If so, what? Is Youtube the only other real answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 7, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 7, 2020 Yes ditch. Yes YouTube is the only viable alternative. Welcome to the fucked up US monopoly of internet services User 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranciscoB Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I second that. I can no longer recommend Vimeo. In the last few years, I've had terrible viewing experiences when I don't have that issue on youtube. Vimeo is only recommendable for "community" but even that is no longer the case as it once was. User 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 What happens to my material on Vimeo if I no longer pay? Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawshooter Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, User said: What happens to my material on Vimeo if I no longer pay? Anyone? Most of it will be blocked/be no longer visible and only be unlocked when you renew the paid subscription. User 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, rawshooter said: Most of it will be blocked/be no longer visible and only be unlocked when you renew the paid subscription. Heartwarming On a side note, and as I understand it, Youtube uses ads for revenue. But I use Adblocker Plus (yes I'm a bastard), so I've never ever seen an ad on Youtube. So I'm left wondering why should I stick with clunky Vimeo. I guess it's like FranciscoB said, Vimeo is about some kind of community feeling. Vimeo viewing experience = Full screen mode, hit space bar to play film, full screen window then minimizes. Day after day, year after year. Half the time the player just hangs. 2020 folks. If you were to dine on the slow roasted bodies you Vimeo or Youtube execs... which would taste better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranciscoB Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I see videos on vimeo that i enjoy more because I follow those directors/dps/producers etc. there than I see on youtube. On Vimeo you follow those people and on Youtube you have commercial accounts and youtubers. Vimeo is for people who do videos I look up to and youtube is for everyday videos, gear reviews, tutorials and "general culture". But I no longer consider vimeo as a viable payment plan. Their user experience is too bad to recommend. heart0less and User 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawshooter Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Vimeo's real business are film production companies who upload their screeners for clients and festivals as password-protected videos. That's why in the current times, so many films festival and arthouse theaters have been able to switch to streaming overnight: all they needed was to unlock their Vimeo screeners for larger publics. My own plan is to wait till support for the open AV1 codec will be mature on both on the client/browser side and the encoder side. I've already run a few encoding tests, and the quality is absolutely stunning at much lower bitrates than both h264 and h265. Once AV1 will be ready for the masses, hosting your own videos will just be a matter of uploading them to your web site/blog and hosting them the same way you host & serve still images. zerocool22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, rawshooter said: My own plan is to wait till support for the open AV1 codec will be mature on both on the client/browser side and the encoder side. I've already run a few encoding tests, and the quality is absolutely stunning at much lower bitrates than both h264 and h265. Once support will be there, hosting your own videos will just be matter of uploading to your web site/blog and serving them the same way you serve still images. Very cool Rawshooter, good to know. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Youtube compression doesnt like grain(facebook compression is the worst though), so I cant skip vimeo. Too bad the alternatives are so limited. User and Geoff CB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, User said: What happens to my material on Vimeo if I no longer pay? Anyone? Nothing changes, everything uploaded remains online. I know this because I have done this (also asked their support before stopping to pay). Jimbo and User 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, rawshooter said: Most of it will be blocked/be no longer visible and only be unlocked when you renew the paid subscription. Not true, at least in my case. Unless it changed it the last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranciscoB Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 All my stuff remained online. I got the message that I had too much used space after non paying anymore. I guess people are having different customer experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawshooter Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Not true, at least in my case. Unless it changed it the last year. I definitely had half of my videos blocked two years ago after having forgot to renew my subscription. This will happen when the combined file size of your videos exceeds the 5GB storage quota of the free Vimeo account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Vimeo's ace up their sleeve is livestreaming. Their Livestream Studio software is legitimately great and has been especially useful during COVID-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 6 hours ago, zerocool22 said: Youtube compression doesnt like grain(facebook compression is the worst though), so I cant skip vimeo. Too bad the alternatives are so limited. Have you compared the grain retention when uploading to YT in 4K? I did some tests between 4K and 1080 on YT and the difference was huge, but I didn't focus on grain, so not sure how that shakes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 5/7/2020 at 5:37 PM, rawshooter said: My own plan is to wait till support for the open AV1 codec will be mature on both on the client/browser AV1 has a long, uphill battle before it has a chance to be a dominate codec in the webspace. It has the support of very rich and powerful tech companies, including Apple and Google but it’s hard to win over the companies that make the hardware acceleration hardware seen in set-top-boxes, streaming devices and on the backend streaming service providers. AV1 is extremely computational intensive (and superior than H.265) and had a better chance of pushing HEVC aside (and it’s patents and royalties) than any other open source codec. It would be smart for camera companies to embrace it as it might release them from licensing and royalty agreements for using HEVC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawshooter Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: AV1 has a long, uphill battle before it has a chance to be a dominate codec in the webspace. It has the support of very rich and powerful tech companies, including Apple and Google but it’s hard to win over the companies that make the hardware acceleration hardware seen in set-top-boxes, streaming devices and on the backend streaming service providers. Yes, and just to be clear, services like Vimeo and YouTube do adaptive streaming (i.e. they host each video in a variety of resolutions and bit rates and switch between them during playback depending on network bandwidth), which you will lose when you self-host your videos. But I don't really care, because I prefer my work to be seen at the intended 1080p resolution anyway. This website has an online demo of AV1, which works with Chrome and Firefox (since they already have AV1 support built-in): https://bitmovin.com/demos/av1 I personally find the quality at 1080p and 1 Mbit/s good enough, even when viewing the video full screen on a 27" computer monitor in short viewing distance. With audio included, such videos will only take about 8.5 MB per minute storage space and transmission bandwidth. Serving them from your personal webspace will then be a no-brainer IMHO. The original reason for Vimeo's existence, namely the absence of native video support in HTML, has been resolved since 2010.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 hours ago, rawshooter said: Yes, and just to be clear, services like Vimeo and YouTube do adaptive streaming (i.e. they host each video in a variety of resolutions and bit rates and switch between them during playback depending on network bandwidth), which you will lose when you self-host your videos. But I don't really care, because I prefer my work to be seen at the intended 1080p resolution anyway. This website has an online demo of AV1, which works with Chrome and Firefox (since they already have AV1 support built-in): https://bitmovin.com/demos/av1 I personally find the quality at 1080p and 1 Mbit/s good enough, even when viewing the video full screen on a 27" computer monitor in short viewing distance. With audio included, such videos will only take about 8.5 MB per minute storage space and transmission bandwidth. Serving them from your personal webspace will then be a no-brainer IMHO. The original reason for Vimeo's existence, namely the absence of native video support in HTML, has been resolved since 2010.... Good points. AV1 is awesome at lower bitrates, so it’s well suited to web and streaming and live video. I do wonder if there is much of a difference between it and HEVC at higher bitrates used in cameras? It would still carry the benefits of being open source... Hopefully YouTube will adopt it at some point. Would probably save them a lot of money and improve the quality of our videos as seen by the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On 5/7/2020 at 4:34 PM, User said: What happens to my material on Vimeo if I no longer pay? Anyone? They delete it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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