JurijTurnsek Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 The specs are there, but until a reputable reviewer makes some sample studio scene shots, there is still a lot unknown. Sony smartphones have been famously producing not-flagship-level photo IQ. As for 20 fps - most flagships have reliable DPAF in video, which is 30-60 fps. Not much an achievement, until you factor in the big 12mp sensor that has shallower DOF. Which brings us to the S20 Ultra with the same size sensor that has been plagued by AF issues. So again, a review is needed. And then the question is, how many times are you doing 20fps bursts with 24mm lenses (don't know if other two modules support this mode). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said: Which brings us to the S20 Ultra with the same size sensor that has been plagued by AF issues. So again, a review is needed. And then the question is, how many times are you doing 20fps bursts with 24mm lenses (don't know if other two modules support this mode). The S20 Ultra actually has a bigger sensor (1/1.33 instead of 1/1.7), but seems like a failure. The 960 fps on the S20 ultra is even upscaled 480 fps... The S20/S20+ has the same sensor size as the new Sony. JurijTurnsek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 My bad. So Sony really doesn't stand out from the crowd specs-wise that much to justify the price. It just has software tricks and those tend to be inflated by PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Considering that Sony is the leader in sensor development, it's a mystery why they couldn't just produce a 12MP 1/1.3" sensor, that does better low light, has higher dynamic range, faster readout, and better frame rate options. Plus great HDR in photo and video (Sony really needs to fix its HDR algorithms). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, sanveer said: Considering that Sony is the leader in sensor development, it's a mystery why they couldn't just produce a 12MP 1/1.3" sensor, that does better low light, has higher dynamic range, faster readout, and better frame rate options. Plus great HDR in photo and video (Sony really needs to fix its HDR algorithms). I believe the main problem with a larger sensor is fitting the lens. The S20 Ultra is 8.8 mm thick which is considerably larger than the competition. Making the phone thicker will turn away quite a few consumers. The lens thickness is also the main reason why most tele-cameras on smartphones are so bad. They often just use a smaller sensor but with a similar focal length as the main camera. For marketing it seems better to have 3 cameras even if cropping the main camera will give similar results. The S20 Ultra is one of the few exceptions that use a periscope lens, which in theory could be an improvement. JurijTurnsek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted May 25, 2020 Author Share Posted May 25, 2020 DPreview has a sample gallery up: https://***URL removed***/samples/5031669290/sony-xperia-1-mark-ii-sample-gallery Lotta NR at higher ISOs but overall nice from iPhone user perspective. it's got that Zeiss look. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleBobsPhotography said: The S20 Ultra actually has a bigger sensor (1/1.33 instead of 1/1.7), but seems like a failure. The 960 fps on the S20 ultra is even upscaled 480 fps... The S20/S20+ has the same sensor size as the new Sony. S20/S20+ main 12MP camera is actually the same sensor as Xperia 1 II, IMX555 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 hours ago, UncleBobsPhotography said: The S20 Ultra actually has a bigger sensor (1/1.33 instead of 1/1.7), but seems like a failure. Most likely too few PDAF pixels. That's why Samsung introduced the dual pixel 50MP 1/1.3" GV1 sensor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hands on reviews are being released now. Regarding Cinema Pro app on Xperia 1 II, only the main 24mm lens/sensor supports 4K 60P, the 16mm wide and 70mm tele are limited to 4K 30P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, androidlad said: S20/S20+ main 12MP camera is actually the same sensor as Xperia 1 II, IMX555 Unfortunately not true for us Europeans The Exynos version uses a Samsung produced image sensor: https://www.notebookcheck.net/The-Exynos-Galaxy-S20-and-S20-don-t-use-the-same-main-camera-sensor-as-the-Snapdragon-models.455406.0.html I would imagine this to be an advantage to the Xperia 1 II for anyone living in an Exynos region of the world for Samsung. The Snapdragon processor is clearly better than the Exynos processor and the image sensor is probably better too. As far as I know, Sony uses the same hardware world wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_1_ii-review-2115p6.php Several sample tests there either on video or stills... Here's another one where softness is going mobile now BTW SOC works! ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 1, 2020 Administrators Share Posted June 1, 2020 Xperia 1... 2 Who comes up with these names?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Agreed, their 1 Mark II name is pretty nonsense, unless they plan to strongly bet on different series of same kind. Actually, they have it but their smartphones lineup is weak. What surprises me is how they are delivering great consumer tools for pro usage. A very good surprise indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-xperia-1-ii-review-for-phone-filmmakers-these-cameras-will-be-hard-to-beat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parker Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Emanuel said: https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-xperia-1-ii-review-for-phone-filmmakers-these-cameras-will-be-hard-to-beat/ The "pro" version of this phone looks super interesting with the full monitor/HDMI capabilities. I wonder how much more expensive it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 The newly announced Xperia 5 Mk II looks like an even better phone - 4K120p with HDR (Xperia 1 is getting that with and update) and a smaller, more manageable screen size and same size battery (cameras are the same as with Xperia 1): https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_5_ii_launches_with_61_120_hz_oled_display_same_hardware_as_the_xperia_1_ii-news-45321.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 IMHO the problem is that Sony isn't using specialised image sensors for this, and trying to expect cinema quality video from it. They should have used 1/1.33 sensors with a 12MP sensor count on this, and much better HDR algorithms. All the sensors should have been the same or similar sized, to ensure similar dynamic range and processing. So much great software limited by the hardware. They should have aimed to beat the iPhone 11 at dynamic range and image quality, and by a noticeable margin. This doesn't beat that, or come close. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Even something for 300/400 bucks coupled to free camera2API do the trick much better... I think only 4K120fps can be the news up there... Let's wait and see, Sony doesn't convince me for years except with their sensors when used by others. Sad but rather true because they only focus on their high-end, to my view, even worse than others (Cannot ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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