Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 27, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 27, 2020 The Fuji GFX 100 along with the Panasonic S1H is the most advanced mirrorless camera for video on the market at the moment. There are reports today that Fujifilm are working on a big firmware update for the GFX 100, with ProRes RAW on the list of features. NEW BLOG POST: https://www.eoshd.com/fuji/rumor-fuji-gfx-100-to-get-prores-raw-internal-recording-or-external/ josdr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 It'll mostly likely be heavily subsampled to maintain Fuji's no crop philosophy. Internal recording uses 11604 x 4352 oversampling which exceeds HDMI 2.0 bandwidth and obviously Atomos Ninja V's processing power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keessie65 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 quote from your blog; "What is interesting about this is where will Fuji draw the line? Will the X-T4 get it? Will it be internally recorded on the GFX 100 to high-speed UHS-II SD card? I doubt it, but we can dream". Probably the best dream after the rumor of Samsung NX-2 Fingers crossed. Let dream come tru! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica50mm Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Wow, it would be nice to see some footage from this camera . There isn't any around. If its this great seems like there would be some around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 27, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 hours ago, androidlad said: It'll mostly likely be heavily subsampled to maintain Fuji's no crop philosophy. Internal recording uses 11604 x 4352 oversampling which exceeds HDMI 2.0 bandwidth and obviously Atomos Ninja V's processing power. Is it Quad Bayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Is it Quad Bayer? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 28, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted May 28, 2020 The actual 4K recording on my cards from the GFX 100 doesn't really look like 11K oversampled. It looks more like a modern pixel binning technique. It's a bit above the A7R IV but not as detailed as an X-T4 and there's some aliasing. So I doubt it is doing an 11K sensor output. Fuji once did a presentation on "their best solution for 4K" from the GFX 100's sensor. And it had a quad bayer pixel mix going on. If it does have 11K RAW video in the buffer before it gets downsampled on the image processor... I am sure it could be downsampled while remaining RAW data. Just as there are medium and small RAW stills options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: The actual 4K recording on my cards from the GFX 100 doesn't really look like 11K oversampled. It looks more like a modern pixel binning technique. It's a bit above the A7R IV but not as detailed as an X-T4 and there's some aliasing. So I doubt it is doing an 11K sensor output. Fuji once did a presentation on "their best solution for 4K" from the GFX 100's sensor. And it had a quad bayer pixel mix going on. If it does have 11K RAW video in the buffer before it gets downsampled on the image processor... I am sure it could be downsampled while remaining RAW data. Just as there are medium and small RAW stills options. 11K horizontally yes, vertically 2/3 lineskipped. That presentation was about an X-Trans version of the GFX100 sensor, which was designed with 3 x 3 colour aware binning. But that project has since been shelved. Yes the sensor will have to be heavily subsampled for ProRes RAW. It can’t send 11K RAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jonathan Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Any chance for this to be passed down to the GFX50 eventually? Or is there some physical difference (processing power f.ex.) to prevent this from happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 28, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted May 28, 2020 I don't think the GFX 50 sensor is fast enough for 4K video readout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Lipartito Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Isn't internal/external recording more an issue with Prores Raw licensing than with the camera's ability to do so or not? Not sure if this has been officially stated anywhere but I highly suspect the reason Panasonic made a partnership with Atomos was because the latter carries the license burden. So I would imaging Fujifilm taking a similar approach or else it might have to be a paid upgrade to offset the cost of licensing. Canon, on the other hand, is able to offer internal raw on the R5 so matter-of-factly because they have their own Cinema Raw codecs. Sharathc47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak Ns Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I have shot this video using GFX100. Autofocus in video and lack of slowmotion in 4k are drawbacks. but image and handling are better in GFX100 than Xt-3. I wish they really add better Phase-detecting system and add full frame 4k 60fps. PannySVHS and Sharathc47 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 12 hours ago, Ak Ns said: I have shot this video using GFX100. Autofocus in video and lack of slowmotion in 4k are drawbacks. but image and handling are better in GFX100 than Xt-3. I wish they really add better Phase-detecting system and add full frame 4k 60fps. Better highlight retention or low light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 3, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted June 3, 2020 Yes the autofocus is pretty, erm, shall we say... Hybrid. Somewhere between contrast detect AF and phase. It hunts. Not sure why. It's extremely unreliable in video mode. 32-64mm zoom has internal stepping motor, silent, fast, but the camera does not make the most of it. The X-T4 is far better for AF. Some lenses like the 63mm f2.8 are incredibly bad on the GFX cameras and it's not much better on the GFX 100 with phase-detect AF on sensor. I am hoping for a firmware update that dramatically improves it as I can see no good reason why it has to be so bad! Reminds me of the X-Pro 1!! Apart from that, it's my favourite all-round camera right now. Love it. You can put a £20 lens on it and it still looks like medium format. So cinematic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buggz Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Andrew, Wow, I was going to reply to a thread on dpreview linking this thread for them to read, however they ban EOSHD links? I was actually trying to help them, however if they want to continue such highbrow stupidity...: My censored reply to a lot of confused dpreview thread entries below: >>> Re: GFX 100 may become a monster video camera .... FYI... Wow, this website bans EOSHD URL listing. Stupid and lame... There are a lot more GFX 100 threads in the EOSHD forum. I have actually learned a lot from the EOSHD site, as for the past many years shooting videos of my families life events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 3, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted June 3, 2020 They are not STILL doing that are they? FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buggz Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 That ban crap is crazy. Though, the medium format forum have civil people in it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweak Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 48 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: They are not STILL doing that are they? FFS hahaha. Kooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 4, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted June 4, 2020 Yup. Medium format and Leica forums do tend to be more civil, I find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharathc47 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 7:56 AM, JR Lipartito said: Isn't internal/external recording more an issue with Prores Raw licensing than with the camera's ability to do so or not? Not sure if this has been officially stated anywhere but I highly suspect the reason Panasonic made a partnership with Atomos was because the latter carries the license burden. So I would imaging Fujifilm taking a similar approach or else it might have to be a paid upgrade to offset the cost of licensing. Canon, on the other hand, is able to offer internal raw on the R5 so matter-of-factly because they have their own Cinema Raw codecs. Yeah, regarding Prores Raw licencing, I read somewhere about implementation of PRORES RAW internally in MAVO edge 8K camera, whether there were any issues regarding patents. Kinefinity replied that "Patents are restricted to US but not in other countries and we don't sell any products in US." @martybleazard and JR Lipartito 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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