Canon 1D X Mark III Review // Filmmaking, video and cinema camera. Get the Fuji X-T4 instead?

[Andrew Reid]

Yes absolutely. Let's focus on the good people.

Mattias Burling (Youtube) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgVwlIabrL100C9_6vyM9-g

Hollywood's HotRodCameras Cam Noir podcast http://camnoir.com/the-cinematography-podcast/

Marques Brownlee https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ

Tito Ferramdes anamorphic https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8nvNpXmCZmg_YJFkrQsryw

Neumann Films https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHC7WKecm42ptBmWM-FWv6g

Dave Maze https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFyIEjsL3T-Bn5xZEKYVvqw

Dave Dugdale https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpPnsOUPkWcukhWUVcTJvnA

Micro Four Nerds https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAu6iO8En48gGBcEzoUl-sA

Y.M. Cinema https://ymcinema.com

Theoria Apophasis (Nikon and Fuji shooter) https://www.youtube.com/user/kathodosdotcom

Jonas Rask Photography https://jonasraskphotography.com

Fuji Love https://fujilove.com

Sigma's own blog and the CEO Kazuto Yamaki himself on Twitter https://twitter.com/KazutoYamaki

Steve Huff https://www.stevehuffphoto.com

Neil Matsumoto at Panasonic (Blog) https://www.panasonicvisualsystems.com/industries/broadcast/8kroi

And many more... sorry to the ones I forgot to mention from top of my head. This literally only took me 2 minutes. So I'll give all the others a shout later. I need to get off the internet now and do some shooting!

It is not about the number of friends you have in life. It's about the quality of your friends.

And the same goes for the internet. You don't need to visit 10,000 people. Just follow a few good quality ones who are actually nice people who deserve it.

[Django]

 32ms RS is definitely not a good number on a +$6K action/sports oriented camera!

But it does looks like 4K RS is always on the high end (i.e +24ms) on all these hybrid FF cams.

I guess this is an area where APS-C / Super35 still dominates (A6xxx series excluded!).

[Andrew Reid]

Rolling shutter in 4K on the A9 is very good. On the A7R IV in full frame and the pixel binning 4K full frame cameras it's fine too. Plenty of full frame cameras do it better than 1DX3

[Femi]

25 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Yes absolutely. Let's focus on the good people.

 

Thanks, I know some of those, will check out the rest....but wouldn't you say someone like Brownlee is on industry payroll as well?

[Django]

56 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Rolling shutter in 4K on the A9 is very good. On the A7R IV in full frame and the pixel binning 4K full frame cameras it's fine too. Plenty of full frame cameras do it better than 1DX3

Yeah but the Sony's are 8-bit XAVC non-4K60 UHD cams, A9 doesn't even have log, pixel binning cams have other issues. Always some type of compromise with FF it seems..

 

[Video Hummus]

To me it suggests, at least for now, if you want extreme shallow DOF and excellent RS and HFR 4K 10-bit, a speed boosted Super 35 or MFT camera will give you most of what you want for reasonable price...except for autofocus (Fix it already Panasonic!). If we are going to see a 6K60p or 4K120p prosumer camera it will be, with high probability, from a smaller sensor camera with current technologies we know exist.

I suspect sales of XT-4 to grow since we know have a metabones speedbooster for X-mount on the way.

[docmoore]

2 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Rolling shutter in 4K on the A9 is very good. On the A7R IV in full frame and the pixel binning 4K full frame cameras it's fine too. Plenty of full frame cameras do it better than 1DX3

I have been using the A9ii for a number of months ... filming a podcast, and services for my local church while in lockdown. Multihour sessions without

any heat issues just works ... record to a Video Devices PIX-E5 with a PIX-LR to get around the 4:2:0 internal spec ... but the times I have used the internal

100MB/S codec it has looked good enough.

Color is very good, skin tones accurate and DR acceptable. I rarely use AF ... mostly use Zeiss Loxia lenses but for stills outdoors it is perfect and video

with the 70-200 GM is very good. Here is a booring look at the garden ... lockdown not rigorous in Texas but too hot to do a lot of outdoor filming after 800AM. Watch in 4K ....

It looks like the AF speed is a bit faster here than necessary ... and I will use a slower setting in the future.

This camera makes me want Sony to give us the specs for the A7SIII and the FX-6 ... 10bit more robust codec and I would have nothing to complain about ...

the new Venice colors work for me.

 

[Andrew Reid]

Your video is broken

[docmoore]

Fixed

[Django]

hmm.. kinda curious why you'd buy a A9 II if AF isn't important to you? you do shoot sports I assume?

also what about the topic at hand: RS? I know the e-shutter for stills is around 6ms but for video I remember RS on A9 mk1 was good but nowhere near that low. Any numbers out there?

[docmoore]

AF is very important for me ... with stills ... more birds than sports and at 65 I have given up on any fast focusing ... with DMF and magnification

on the Sony MF is very easy ... if one has time. Most of my video stuff is podcast, corporate (church - pro-bono) non-action stuff that looks better with the Zeiss Loxia lenses than most of the newer AF stuff out there. They are slow ... 2 - 2.8 ... but tiny and I like the way they render ... vignette and all.

Had the P6K but there are times when a decent stills camera is useful ... and my days of having two or three different systems ... including native lenses are over.

I debated the 1DXIII but the size screen and speed of the A9II won out ... and again color seems to be much better than my initial foray with Sony A7S and A7RII ... the A9II supposedly has tweaked the color and processing on the sensor ... same as A9 but some like the A9II a bit more ...battery good for 2.5 hours video ... and I have a dTap to Z battery adapter and a bunch of gold mount batteries ... can hot swap so really limited by storage ... I use VD PIX-E5 with four 1Tb Speed Drives ... may need to upgrade to a Shogun 7 if I add a FS5 / FX6 or if the new A7SIII has decent external rates.

RS ... have not seen any video numbers but Jim Kasson measured a full sensor read out of 1/160 second with an analog oscilloscope. So I doubt that if there is much it is sensor limited. And EC stills ... nothing visible.

[Django]

Cool man, yeah I know the RS is great for stills but there is a A9 RS test on YT that shows it is clearly visible in video mode. (I won't link it as it may break the new forum policy rules). I'm sure the numbers are good, I'm just wondering how good exactly.

A9 mark 1s have fallen really cheap, on the second hand market I've seen them as low as 2300 euros.

For video, you lose S-Log compared to an A73 but if you do gain a lot in RS & AF I guess that could make it the best current Alpha cam.

If so I may just be in the market for an A9 as an upgrade to the A73 for B-cam to my FS7.

[docmoore]

I figure it might be worth waiting to see if the A7S3 is announced this month ... hopefully good RS 10bit AF and color.

Although I have been thinking of a FS5 and Shogun 7 as companion to the A9II ... 12 bit Raw and looks like fairly decent

high frame rates ... not too soft.

The clip at 4:45 on in the video I linked sold me on the A9II ...

[Django]

Yeah Venice CS is superb. I have it set as default on my FS7. 

I didn't realise A7S3 was rumoured to be announced this month. Again.

At this point Sony is like the boy who cried wolf with that camera, I'll believe it when I see it!

[docmoore]

Yes

If I buy another camera ... they will announce one day after my return window closes.

I just picked up the A9II and did so rather stupid panning in 4K HD and S&Q ... will drop those in

Resolve and upload shortly.

[docmoore]

OK here is a very unscientific look at the RS A9II ....

Clips are 4K 24p then HD 60p for the shutters ... 4K 24p then HD 60p followed by S&Q HD 120p ... but the third fan clip rendered

without slowdown ... no idea why ...

I am really close to the blinds so the panning speed is very fast relative to the subject ... but there is RS 4K > HD.

I would never be panning like this so not sure what I have demonstrated and would be interesting to know how the HD is captured

versus the 4K. Does not look like the angle of view changed on the 4K/HD clips so I think it still is using the whole sensor on both.

 

 

 

[androidlad]

A9/A9 II uses 12-parallel ADC and DRAM to achieve 162fps full sensor readout at 14bit (internal speed, subject to I/O limitation). 

Obviously due to power and thermal requirements, DRAM is disabled and only 2-parallel ADC are used in video mode.

[Simon Young]

23 hours ago, docmoore said:

Multihour sessions without

any heat issues just works ..

So they finally fixed the overheating? I take it you’re shooting in 4k? The irony in solving the heat issues but still leaving out picture profiles...

[docmoore]

7 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

So they finally fixed the overheating? I take it you’re shooting in 4k? The irony in solving the heat issues but still leaving out picture profiles...

Yes ... gotta say that if it is hot enough to shut down the camera ... I would have gone home well before.

Honestly ... new battery ... more efficient sensor and processor ... seems to work ... yes PP will hopefully arrive in the A7SIII(?)

Or I will add a cinecam ....

[gt3rs]

11 hours ago, docmoore said:

OK here is a very unscientific look at the RS A9II ....

Clips are 4K 24p then HD 60p for the shutters ... 4K 24p then HD 60p followed by S&Q HD 120p ... but the third fan clip rendered

without slowdown ... no idea why ...

I am really close to the blinds so the panning speed is very fast relative to the subject ... but there is RS 4K > HD.

I would never be panning like this so not sure what I have demonstrated and would be interesting to know how the HD is captured

versus the 4K. Does not look like the angle of view changed on the 4K/HD clips so I think it still is using the whole sensor on both.

 

 

 

In 4k is very visible the RS for sure not 16 or less ms...