thebrothersthre3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: People who think the image out of the A7SIII, a $3500 mirrorless camera, isn’t very good or the skin tones are off are nitpicking the shit out of it. I feel sorry for you people. You will never be happy. Put everything in context. This is a fantastic release from Sony. They improved almost everything from the A7SII and kept the spirit of the A7S camera intact. I'd kind of agree. However Sony really does need to address the noise reduction issue. The Panasonic S1 and S1H initially had the same issue as well as the GH5, but they sorted in in firmware updates. Z-cam had the issue with the E2 but they address it with firmware allowing NR to be completely turned off. Sure many people won't care or see it but for those that want the best IQ its really a needless gimp. I am happy with the Pana S1 IQ. Its a Sony sensor for god's sake lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Its a Sony sensor for god's sake Always a bit of a weird one that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Kind of excited to see Panasonic and Fuji's response to this camera now. The specs kind of leave both of them behind by a good bit. Prior Fuji and Pana were leading in their IQ for hybrids. XH2 soon.... I really don't think Panasonic is behind except for AF. They offer 6k,better ergonomics, ProRes RAW as well, better exposure tools, better weather sealing, better heat management, better reliability, the best screen implementation, better photography camera than the Sony a7sIII (at least a better resolution that's helpful for stills), really good color science, timecode, better IBIS, 4K DCI, anamorphic modes, etc. I think it's on par with the Sony offering. What makes one stronger is a weakness for the other and vice versa. People really tend to make Panasonic look worst than they actually are. newfoundmass and Beritar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/yes-sony-a7s-iii-overheats-sometimes-even-faster-than-canon-eos-r5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 hours ago, jonathangrijalva810 said: Not to stir things up, but is the overheating an issue with the a7siii as well? I’ve seen some issues people had. Is this just marketing that everyone bashes Canon but not Sony? I don’t own either and don’t plan to, but just curious why everyone got hell bent on destroying Canon but it doesn’t seem to be discussed with Sony. Or is it not an issue with Sony? https://youtu.be/tgcp8wXAUZY I think for a couple of reasons. The Canon IS shaping up to be a wonderful, stills camera and has really nice video but it was sold as being a lot more for video than it may well be (if only due to the heat). Main thing is that it seems (could be wrong but that is what it seems) that the Canon WILL overheat depending on mode while the Sony will also overheat (and when it does, overheat quicker) BUT the Sony seems to overheat in hot environments. I hope both the Canons and the Sonys are complete successes (my favourite camera is a Sony and my favourite lens is a Canon). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 The S1H did get close in a lot of ways for the pro-thusiast, but the AF was a bust (absolutely needed for a hybrid) plus the L mount lenses are $$$ and not plentiful in range. The Netflix thing was a gimmick. Marketing tool. The vast majority of Netflix productions won't use something at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdoubleu Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nezza said: The Netflix thing was a gimmick. Marketing tool. The vast majority of Netflix productions won't use something at this level. I'm confused as to why people think this. If you're shooting VariCam I imagine you would have an S1H on set for many reasons. Video Hummus, Trankilstef and deezid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, Trankilstef said: I really don't think Panasonic is behind except for AF. They offer 6k,better ergonomics, ProRes RAW as well, better exposure tools, better weather sealing, better heat management, better reliability, the best screen implementation, better photography camera than the Sony a7sIII (at least a better resolution that's helpful for stills), really good color science, timecode, better IBIS, 4K DCI, anamorphic modes, etc. I think it's on par with the Sony offering. What makes one stronger is a weakness for the other and vice versa. People really tend to make Panasonic look worst than they actually are. Definitely behind for me. Cropped 420 10 bit 4k 60p, poor quality 120-180fps HD. The Sony delivers 4k at 24, 60, and 120p with no crop full sensor readout. 6k is cool and all but I honestly shoot in HD half the time and when I need more its 4k. 6K downsampled is beautiful of course but if it means no full sensor 4k 60p and shitty 120p than I'll pass. That is just me of course. Fuji offers an incredible bang for its buck. Its AF needs major improvements though. I'd pay $2500 for an XH2 with a 12mp sensor and 4k 120p though. Especially if it has reliable AF. Trankilstef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, billdoubleu said: I'm confused as to why people think this. If you're shooting VariCam I imagine you would have an S1H on set for many reasons. Crash cam, maybe, just maybe. A cam. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Nezza said: Crash cam, maybe, just maybe. A cam. Nope. Maybe with prores RAW though. I guess the form factor is just not something that would be suitable for a professional film set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, deezid said: You mean they kept the noise reduction artifacts and oversharpening? Yep, they did indeed. The ZV-1 looks the same even. I mean what do you expect? The camera is designed for lowlight sensitivity. It’s right there in the name and literature about it. All cameras have their faults. I do recall the S1H had horrible temporal noise issues. They are fixed now. Give Sony a break. My god. Csnt wait for the release hysteria to die so we can talk calmly and objectively about it all. newfoundmass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: Maybe with prores RAW though. I guess the form factor is just not something that would be suitable for a professional film set. On the end of a jib for a stunt that might get trashed you might find one. But never for A or B. Just marketing fodder for prosumers, 'My cam is netflix certified'. That's nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nezza said: On the end of a jib for a stunt that might get trashed you might find one. But never for A or B. Just marketing fodder for prosumers, 'My cam is netflix certified'. That's nice! Do you own or shoot with an ARRI or other Netflix approved camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, Nezza said: The S1H did get close in a lot of ways for the pro-thusiast, but the AF was a bust (absolutely needed for a hybrid) plus the L mount lenses are $$$ and not plentiful in range. The Netflix thing was a gimmick. Marketing tool. The vast majority of Netflix productions won't use something at this level. But it is being used for Netflix productions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, Nezza said: Crash cam, maybe, just maybe. A cam. Nope. Mark Holtze is using a S1H and vintage lenses for a Netflix pilot right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: Do you own or shoot with an ARRI or other Netflix approved camera? What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Nezza said: On the end of a jib for a stunt that might get trashed you might find one. But never for A or B. Just marketing fodder for prosumers, 'My cam is netflix certified'. That's nice! And why would Netflix help Panasonic to market it by adding it to the approved list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezza Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, newfoundmass said: Mark Holtze is using a S1H and vintage lenses for a Netflix pilot right now. I'm sure he is. How many netflix productions are using an S1H would you estimate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nezza said: What's your point? You have a strong opinion of what camera should and shouldn’t be used on a Netflix set and at what capacity. So how did you form that opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nezza said: I'm sure he is. How many netflix productions are using an S1H would you estimate? Who knows? Who cares? You said no one was using it for Netflix, outside of it MAYBE being a crash cam. That's not true. 7 minutes ago, Nezza said: What's your point? I'm guessing his point is that you're speaking as an authority when, truthfully, you probably don't know and have little real experience working on a major production. There seems to be a lot of folks like that on the forums lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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