tupp Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Press release here. I've never even tried H.265! noone, Emanuel and kye 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 crazy, H.265 is not widely adopted and now we have H.266, not sure if somebody beside tech nerds are even going to consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 43 minutes ago, tupp said: Press release here. I've never even tried H.265! From the link: "After devoting several years to its research and standardization, Fraunhofer HHI (together with partners from industry including Apple, Ericsson, Intel, Huawei, Microsoft, Qualcomm, and Sony) is celebrating the release and official adoption of the new global video coding standard H.266/Versatile Video Coding (VVC). This new standard offers improved compression, which reduces data requirements by around 50% of the bit rate relative to the previous standard H.265/High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) without compromising visual quality. In other words, H.266/VVC offers faster video transmission for equal perceptual quality. Overall, H.266/VVC provides efficient transmission and storage of all video resolutions from SD to HD up to 4K and 8K, while supporting high dynamic range video and omnidirectional 360° video." Emphasis is mine. H265 provided about a 50% reduction in bitrate for the same visual quality over h264, so comparatively, h266 looks like it might be 25% the data rates for similar quality. 19 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: crazy, H.265 is not widely adopted and now we have H.266, not sure if somebody beside tech nerds are even going to consider it. These things take a while to roll out, that's for sure. Especially if implemented in hardware. Of course, maybe manufacturers will skip h265 in preference of h266 when the hardware is available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Interesting that Sony was one of the partners. Will it be in phones first or an A7#? Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanRevert Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Weissman score 2.89, highest ever recorded. Amazing. dgvro, IronFilm, ntblowz and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Thinking about this further, it will likely first appear in streaming services, where (for browser viewing at least) they can implement it in the client and the server almost immediately and get the benefits straight away. I would imagine that bandwidth would be one of the largest costs of running a streaming service? From there it will take longer to work its way through the whole pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Hopefully the license issue is not a cluster f**k like h.265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 As it is even more compressed, wont our pc's struggle even more then h264, h265? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianluca Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 For sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, kye said: Thinking about this further, it will likely first appear in streaming services, where (for browser viewing at least) they can implement it in the client and the server almost immediately and get the benefits straight away. I would imagine that bandwidth would be one of the largest costs of running a streaming service? Minimising the cost of media storage and distribution (bandwidth cost) is what has always driven the development of data compression. It is the reason that broadcast TV originally used interlaced image scanning (it halves the transmission bandwidth compared to using 'progressive' frames at the same picture update rate). kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ntblowz said: Hopefully the license issue is not a cluster f**k like h.265 What's the problem with H.265/HEVC licensing - it's handled by MPEG-LA in the same way as MPEG-2 & H.264 as far as I know (and it's quite cheap - free up to 100,000 units per year, $0.20 per unit over that - see https://www.mpegla.com/wp-content/uploads/HEVCweb.pdf ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ac6000cw said: What's the problem with H.265/HEVC licensing - it's handled by MPEG-LA in the same way as MPEG-2 & H.264 as far as I know (and it's quite cheap - free up to 100,000 units per year, $0.20 per unit over that - see https://www.mpegla.com/wp-content/uploads/HEVCweb.pdf ) The problem is there are more than just MPEG LA for HEVC.. a few other companies too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mgee Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I will put $$ that the new Sony A7SIII coming out in the following weeks will have H.266 in it. IronFilm, Emanuel, Geoff CB and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowfun Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Mgee said: I will put $$ that the new Sony A7SIII coming out in the following weeks will have H.266 in it. I’ll forgive it so long as I can still record to Prores externally over HDMI... (preferably a full size HDMI connector but I’m not optimistic about that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 5 hours ago, zerocool22 said: As it is even more compressed, wont our pc's struggle even more then h264, h265? Without actually understanding how it works, I'd say most likely. All the more reason to think of it like a capture format rather than an intermediary format. I've heard that many/most/??? productions render their footage into Prores HQ and then never go back to the capture, rendering the final output from the prores files. I'd imagine that really high end productions wouldn't be like this, and amateur stuff where we can naval gaze optimise the final product for as long as we like won't be like this, but for folks seeking out a living the quality difference wouldn't matter enough to justify the expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 You will see those 50% reductions most likely on higher resolutions 8K and above. It probably won’t be implemented for another 5-8 years is my guess, and then only in big streaming companies perhaps with dedicated hardware decoding on the client side. Expect massive encodes times. Not a great capture codec at all, even compared to H265. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianluca Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 No software can decode with enough speed at this moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gianluca said: No software can decode with enough speed at this moment I'm ready!!! All I need now is a rack mount monitor I can calibrate and I'm good to go! Now, where do I plug my mouse in? rainbowmerlin and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Needed for 8K, probably will be the standard when U.S. broadcast companies upgrade to 4K/8K. This should enable broadcast companies to upgrade without increasing bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 9 hours ago, hijodeibn said: crazy, H.265 is not widely adopted and now we have H.266, not sure if somebody beside tech nerds are even going to consider it. H266 offers some nice advantages, and has broad industry support with major companies backing it. We want see H266 used by many immediately overnight, or even within the next couple of years, but it likely will happen. I already watch quite a decent chunk of what I download in H265 8 hours ago, MeanRevert said: Weissman score 2.89, highest ever recorded. Amazing. Does H266 use middle out compression? https://youtu.be/uFYy3oEnzVg MeanRevert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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