josdr Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 4:57 PM, Yurolov said: Your xt3 was 4:2:0. The difference between all-i and ipb is a spec sheet analysis in most cases. The last 2 on whether you have a 4:2:0 or 4.2.2 will probably only make a difference when using a green screen. And it does not detract from the main core of my argument. 10 bit or 12 bit 4:2:0 is way more important than having 4:2:2 🙂 and it certainly has nothing to do with what the R6 turned out to be All intra is quite different to lesser approaches but I suppose its perception may vary from eye to eye (or rather from the way one brain perceives what it sees compared to the other). I have not found h265 difficult to edit if using proxies correctly in lesser systems and we should probably get on the bandwagon with this since h266 is more compressed than h265 :). Editing is resources intensive , you cannot edit high definition video in lesser rigs. Newer Nvidia gpus from the 1660 forward have a dedicated chip for h265 encoding decoding... Resolve probably needs to fine tune its codebase there. Anyway, the R6 could have been a dedicated killer 4k video camera for Canon at that price allowing the R5 to shine for photos and keep the 8k on the box for the uninformed. Canon crippled it either by firmware and/or design choices so people like me will certainly not be changing to a R6 since it does not make much sense. I suppose Sony A7siii competition and some firmware updates may redress the balance a bit but I am not sure. I simply cannot afford a 15k C300 and its peripheral rigging to film some short films in my case, like most people with similar interests/hobbies/pursuits/occasional jobs that could probably stretch to 2.5k for a body. In my eyes the Sigma FP is the best FF path one could do now for its money if interested in cine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 What all this overheating going on, people tend to look over the fact that the footage and the IBIS actually looks really good. ISO is a noticeable improvement, too. The rolling shutter is not great (as expected). If you want longer recording times, you probably want the R5 over the R6. Amazeballs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Dying in under 10 minutes is pretty bad. Looks like he was probably in a normal temperature room too. That said I am sure 30p and 24p is better and maybe even better in crop mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 If I see it right, it was re-started after the 20-minutes on the first one so no time to cool down, it won't be nearly as bad in practise for short clips. The crop mode is 1.6x and who wants to shoot upscaled 4K, it does not make that much sense sense for me. Much better to save up for the R5 if this is important and have no crop at all. If we look at the stills side of things though, apart from the 12fps mechanical shutter over 20fps and the tough build quality, it provides everything that the 1DX III LV mode does with IBIS and a flip screen for 4000$ less, not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, padam said: What all this overheating going on, people tend to look over the fact that the footage and the IBIS actually looks really good. ISO is a noticeable improvement, too. The rolling shutter is not great (as expected). If you want longer recording times, you probably want the R5 over the R6. Interesting. The Canon graded footage seems to have managed to add a car from the ungraded stuff and remove one going the other way. EDIT, Never mind, the Nikon added one too! These cameras are better than I thought they were. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, padam said: What all this overheating going on, people tend to look over the fact that the footage and the IBIS actually looks really good. ISO is a noticeable improvement, too. The rolling shutter is not great (as expected). If you want longer recording times, you probably want the R5 over the R6. The only real review so far. R6 recorded almost half an hour before overheating in 4k50. ISO was quite fine. DR seemed OK. RS is not good but not dreadful too. Want to see more thorough tests ofc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoberus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Daai said: gonno save it for just r5 😉 I think that too, because otherwise they can't sell the c-line and the r5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daai Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 4 hours ago, phoberus said: I think that too, because otherwise they can't sell the c-line and the r5 They should have just gave all clogs in r5. Would be sweet to get the clog2 too 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodlum Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 16 hours ago, phoberus said: Really excited how the DR will be on the R6 and if they ship clog3 with a firmware update It is coming. https://www.canonrumors.com/feature-updates-coming-via-firmware-for-both-the-canon-eos-r5-and-canon-eos-r6/ Rumored Canon EOS R6 Firmware Update: Adding All-I for all record modes Canon Log 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS670ES Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I am really confused. Can someone please tell me what is the cripple hammer for 4k60p on R6 ? It seems that AF is fully working now (not like in 1Dx Mark III) right ? So is there crop, binning or sever rolling shutter going on ? As rumors say ALL-I will be added so that's good. Will it be better option than X-T4 for run and gun with auto focus or are there some serious downsides that I am not seeing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, FS670ES said: I am really confused. Can someone please tell me what is the cripple hammer for 4k60p on R6 ? It seems that AF is fully working now (not like in 1Dx Mark III) right ? So is there crop, binning or sever rolling shutter going on ? As rumors say ALL-I will be added so that's good. Will it be better option than X-T4 for run and gun with auto focus or are there some serious downsides that I am not seeing ? There is a crop, a small one for 4K. More due to cropping from DCI to UHD, which resolution is limited to. Rolling shutter isn’t known, but maybe comparable to the 1DX Mark III. That was poor for 4K 30p I recall seeing, but better for 60p, though that lacked AF, so hard to say where the R6 stands. Overheating is likely an issue, how bad, we don't know. Maybe, this is the only real issue with the R6 compared to the X-T4. Best wait till its released, and those who have it can advise exactly where it stands. Its mostly just specultation at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daai Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, SteveV4D said: There is a crop, a small one for 4K. More due to cropping from DCI to UHD, which resolution is limited to. Rolling shutter isn’t known, but maybe comparable to the 1DX Mark III. That was poor for 4K 30p I recall seeing, but better for 60p, though that lacked AF, so hard to say where the R6 stands. Overheating is likely an issue, how bad, we don't know. Maybe, this is the only real issue with the R6 compared to the X-T4. Best wait till its released, and those who have it can advise exactly where it stands. Its mostly just specultation at the moment. around 1:33 mark for rolling shutter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, Daai said: around 1:33 mark for rolling shutter Doesn't look too great for 60p to be honest. However, they're quite extreme pans. At some point, we'll get proper measurements. Comparisons to say the S1 would be useful when they arrive. Daai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, SteveV4D said: Doesn't look too great for 60p to be honest. However, they're quite extreme pans. At some point, we'll get proper measurements. Comparisons to say the S1 would be useful when they arrive. Worst case is 16ms at 60p...... above that is physically impossible so 16ms is very good for FF... from the @padam posted video RS in 25p is quite bad similar to 1Dx III but was it oversampled or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FS670ES Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Thank you @SteveV4D and @Daai for the video sample. IBIS seems to have similar problems as Fuji and it over corrects movements, but will wait for final firmware and proper tests when it comes out. Rolling shutter seems ok in 4k60p. Autofocus is little jumpy but that probably can be corrected in the settings i guess. Overall looks good and I have high hopes for this as I will probably choose R6 over X-T4 which has some serious problems with AF and auto exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noone Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Is it normal in reviews when showing graded and ungraded footage to use DIFFERENT footage? I would have thought you show the same video ungraded and then graded. Is that what every reviewer does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 We really need two official R5 and R6 sticky topics. We have like 4 threads going with almost the exact same title discussing same things, Amazeballs, gt3rs and tweak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 rolling shutter looks bad in 25P, muck worst than the z6, real test will show the exact numbers but looks like is above 30ms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Given the newly released overheating table, it seems like there is one video setting where the R6 beats the R5; 4k60p. With the R5 you would need to either use pixel binning (which most likely will give worse image quality) or an APS-C crop, while the R6 uses oversampling with a 1.07 crop. For those who shoot mostly 4k60p the R6 seems like a good choice. This might have been mentioned earlier, but the table made it easier to spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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