Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I'm not here to put down anyone or defend my opinion. I'll post my work in due time. I went to art college and work the same way as others on the EOS in various fields of photography, videography and creative. We can all agree the R5 should not or cannot be used for long recording. Vintage Jimothy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 The firmware update says « lower bitrate IPB for all framerates » HOPEFULLY that means IPB for 4K120 (currently only ALL-I with very high bitrates which forces Cfast use) and that would address 1 out of 2 complains I have. The 2nd one being no audio in 4K120. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, wolf33d said: The firmware update says « lower bitrate IPB for all framerates » HOPEFULLY that means IPB for 4K120 (currently only ALL-I with very high bitrates which forces Cfast use) and that would address 1 out of 2 complains I have. The 2nd one being no audio in 4K120. I agree the no audio in 120fps that is all canon that have 120 is annoying. Audio slowed down sounds bad but maybe you want to decide on post if you want to slow down or simply playback real-time and is annoying that you don't have the audio Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, gt3rs said: I agree the no audio in 120fps that is all canon that have 120 is annoying. Audio slowed down sounds bad but maybe you want to decide on post if you want to slow down or simply playback real-time and is annoying that you don't have the audio Yeah it happens a lot that I film slow mo but play some clips real time and then need the audio. Also sometimes I use the audio in real time over the slowmo video (for background sounds like water and so on) kye, Emanuel and gt3rs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, wolf33d said: Yeah it happens a lot that I film slow mo but play some clips real time and then need the audio. Also sometimes I use the audio in real time over the slowmo video (for background sounds like water and so on) guess the only way will be using something like Shure VP83F that have build in recording function or zoom h1 to record audio separately and match in post Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 hours ago, ntblowz said: guess the only way will be using something like Shure VP83F that have build in recording function or zoom h1 to record audio separately and match in post One question: camera won’t record audio internally, but if I plug in a mic, will the camera engage audio recording of the mic or do I have to do it manually? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 16 hours ago, wolf33d said: One question: camera won’t record audio internally, but if I plug in a mic, will the camera engage audio recording of the mic or do I have to do it manually? Maybe some people using 1DXs on the forum or other Canon camera not recording audio in high frame rate mode, like @Andrew Reid, can help me with this question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 16 hours ago, wolf33d said: One question: camera won’t record audio internally, but if I plug in a mic, will the camera engage audio recording of the mic or do I have to do it manually? As far as I know there is no signal from camera to the mike that recording has started or stopped. On the VP83F you need to press a button to start and stop the internal mike recording. Then synchronizing without a scratch track is more challenging.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Damn it. That sucks bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Nothing you can't handle with a single clap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 5:09 PM, SteveV4D said: I tend to shoot with 3 cameras, one of each person talking and a wide on both, for 2 person interviews For logistics reasons, I'd prefer all 3 are continously recording. I don't want one to stop partway and be pandered to. Besides if the R5 shut down and needed 10 mins rest, then I stand to lose 10 mins of footage. Its not like the old 30 min clip limit, though those were annoying as well. It would depend on how quickly or frequently the problem manifested itself. Something we don't yet really know. You could use the 4k30p mode then that doesn't overheat. Why shoot interviews in 4k120? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, hmcindie said: You could use the 4k30p mode then that doesn't overheat. Why shoot interviews in 4k120? 🙂 Bare in mind I wrote that before the official word came in on this. Besides, I still wouldn't trust it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, SteveV4D said: Bare in mind I wrote that before the official word came in on this. Of course you did. Forums are full of people talking about things they haven't tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Just now, hmcindie said: Of course you did. Forums are full of people talking about things they haven't tried. I don't need to try it. The overheating figures comes from Canon. Sure, they later confirmed bixel binned 30p is okay. However, downsampled still overheats. 8K which some said originally could be used to allow for cropping in interviews overheats. Why invest so much money for a camera that could fail on you. Lux Shots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade towell Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Yes this is my dilemma, would be pretty frustrating spending £4200 and not being able to trust the higher quality modes, don't see the point. If you're only shooting very short sequences fair enough but not for me Lux Shots and SteveV4D 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, ade towell said: Yes this is my dilemma, would be pretty frustrating spending £4200 and not being able to trust the higher quality modes, don't see the point. If you're only shooting very short sequences fair enough but not for me right now the camera is useless for most of us, we can not trust to do anything important with it, and price is too high for all its limitations, once the camera is out there, and we get good reviews we could find a way to use it, if we can run all day with an external recorder, well, that's interesting, not ideal, but much better, if we use a small vent in a cage could also work, we really don't know yet, with the current information it is clearly a NO NO, but real world test and DIY solutions could change our initial decision. SteveV4D and ajay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 3 hours ago, hijodeibn said: right now the camera is useless for most of us, we can not trust to do anything important with it, and price is too high for all its limitations, once the camera is out there, and we get good reviews we could find a way to use it, if we can run all day with an external recorder, well, that's interesting, not ideal, but much better, if we use a small vent in a cage could also work, we really don't know yet, with the current information it is clearly a NO NO, but real world test and DIY solutions could change our initial decision. If only it had full hdmi.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said: If only it had full hdmi.. that's what really make me mad, why they put that crappy micro-hdmi?, external recording is going to be a hell, I hope we will see some kind of solution with a cage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarabaghi Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Ive pre ordered the R5 for the sole reason to actually test in my environment if the overheating is an issue. We shoot a decent amount of short clips in 4k120 and would love to also shoot some short clips in 8k30 for cropping. If the R5 can do this without over heating then Ill keep it, but im not gonna jump to conclusion on it overheating without testing for my self. Ive seen that IPB might be an option in the future for 4k120, do we think that would allow us to write to cheaper SDcard V60 speed+? Im curious what size CFexpress cards people are going to be using, seems like 256gb might not cut it, and 512-1TB might be the sweet spot, especially at first if ALL-I is all there is for 4k120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, agarabaghi said: Ive pre ordered the R5 for the sole reason to actually test in my environment if the overheating is an issue. We shoot a decent amount of short clips in 4k120 and would love to also shoot some short clips in 8k30 for cropping. If the R5 can do this without over heating then Ill keep it, but im not gonna jump to conclusion on it overheating without testing for my self. Ive seen that IPB might be an option in the future for 4k120, do we think that would allow us to write to cheaper SDcard V60 speed+? Im curious what size CFexpress cards people are going to be using, seems like 256gb might not cut it, and 512-1TB might be the sweet spot, especially at first if ALL-I is all there is for 4k120. 2x 512 sandisk one. I have 1 256 that I use for photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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