Emanuel Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Reid said: It's not about having just one camera - two, three, A and B, all fine... It's about getting through a take! Which you may not be able to do with EOS R5. So what's it doing on set at all? Expand You'll have 4K 120 fps as for instance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I see this as a bigger problem for Wedding shooters...I missed the shot because my camera overheated and wouldn’t turn on.... If your on a set then use a cinema camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coiii Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:51 PM, newfoundmass said: Why would you shoot with an R5 if there's even remotely a chance that it'll overheat? I am not much of a filmmaker, I've only recently started dabbling in that aspect, but for event filming, corporate, commercial work and interviews I don't turn off the camera unless I absolutely have to. Is it common to turn cameras on and off on a film set? Expand On film set the cameras are always on. They only are powered off on breaks for lunch and diner (sometimes). But they are usually always on. Geoff CB, Kisaha and newfoundmass 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:51 PM, Video Hummus said: Wedding shooters too...I missed the shot because my camera overheated and wouldn’t turn on.... Expand Without a B camera, wedding shooters are fried... LOL : ) On 7/9/2020 at 4:53 PM, Coiii said: On film set the cameras are always on. They only are powered off on breaks for lunch and diner (sometimes). But they are usually always on. Expand Definitely, does not suit the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 9, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:51 PM, Video Hummus said: Wedding shooters too...I missed the shot because my camera overheated and wouldn’t turn on.... Expand For years Canon have been saying this is why they don't push the video specs to the limit. Reliability is key, blah blah! And they suddenly do a U-turn for marketing reasons!! Emanuel and Geoff CB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:53 PM, Emanuel said: Without a B camera, wedding shooters are fried... Expand Just make sure it's not another R5! Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 9, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:53 PM, Emanuel said: Without a B camera, wedding shooters are fried... Expand Bit like the EOS R5 sensor. My point is... doesn't matter how many cameras you have round your neck during a wedding if one of them stops shooting in the middle of a magic moment. The shot is lost and you don't get to rewind the wedding or ask people to repeat stuff for your B cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanRevert Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Watch Sony overheat at 21 minutes just to one up Canon. ntblowz, Emanuel and newfoundmass 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 look....Canon never wanted the R5 to be used in place of camcorder jobs. They have camcorder models for this purpose. Does anybody think that Canon or Sony is going to screw their video camera divisions? Many people actually believe that Canon Cine managers and Sony XDCAM managers don't care about R5 or A7S-III planning meetings. Believe me....XDCAM managers are right there at the meeting table with the Alpha managers of A7S-III design and marketing meetings!! BELIEVE IT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Officiant: I now pronounce you hus... Video guy: WAIT! OVERHEATED! GIVE ME 10 TO LET IT COOL DOWN?! Cliff Totten and Katrikura 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I got to play with the R5 and R6 a bit at the product launch today. There is a setting in the meny to toggle off/down overheating protection (I don´t remember the exact wording). Is this with the overheating protection turned off/low? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:54 PM, Andrew Reid said: Bit like the EOS R5 sensor. My point is... doesn't matter how many cameras you have round your neck during a wedding if one of them stops shooting in the middle of a magic moment. The shot is lost and you don't get to rewind the wedding or ask people to repeat stuff for your B cam. Expand Not proper for events cinematography as part of your main setup plan, better count on it, oh yeah. On 7/9/2020 at 4:38 PM, deezid said: Well, of course Canon finds a way to screw things up, wouldn't be Canon otherwise Why wouldn't they simply implement active cooling? Even the S1H does Expand I guess the explanation is their high-end aka C-series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 The past 3 months of R5 waiting and wondering and hoping has turned into a virtual train wreck for many of us. This is bad for any kind of moderate long form event shooting. Downright impossible. The Canon Cripple Hammer has struck again! Again...I'm sure that the Canon video camera division managers and sales people are sleeping perfectly fine tonight. CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I wounder if R6 has it. Should be easier to keep a 20mp sensor cooled down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Totten Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 By the way. I have a contact that works for Canon and he told me the R5 would have recording time restrictions over two months ago. If you look back at my posts here, I warned everybody here over and over again about it. Non if this was news to me. Although, I had hoped he was wrong in any kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 It didn't surprise me, they wouldn't put the eggs in the same basket : ) It's a specialised tool IMHO, the most advanced hybrid tool so far and not exactly a cinema camera as we're used to see : -) Better than the use of a smartphone from a tiny sensor size without question... Or is there anyone to disagree here? ; -) gt3rs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Steenhoff Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 What about enviromental temperature, yes in the desert you will overheat quickly, this does not mean it will overheat in a siberian winter too. This should be tested in realworld environments to see how bad it is gt3rs and mechanicalEYE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulUsher Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 4:53 PM, Andrew Reid said: For years Canon have been saying this is why they don't push the video specs to the limit. Reliability is key, blah blah! And they suddenly do a U-turn for marketing reasons!! Expand Yeah this whole thing is a marketing ploy. Anyone who has worked in marketing will recognise this is simply a classic loss leader -type strategy, where the R5 draws consumers into Canon and interests them in the ‘cutting edge’ RF line. In sales, there’s this thing called the alternative close - where you give the customer a choice of two (instead of ‘buy or not buy‘ it’s ‘buy this or buy that’). You always pitch the product you WANT to sell after you’ve presented the loss leader. It’s a very effective strategy and it’s working wonders for Canon: ‘Yeah that R5 looks neat but it’s expensive and I don’t need 8K, so I’ll get the R6 instead...’ Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted July 9, 2020 Super Members Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 5:30 PM, Emanuel said: It didn't surprise me, they wouldn't put the eggs in the same basket : ) Expand Sounds like this camera would turn them into an omelette if they did. newfoundmass, heart0less, SteveV4D and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Well I dont think I will ever run into the problem. I dont shoot long clips + where I live the temperature rarely exceeds 23 degrees. Lars Steenhoff and mechanicalEYE 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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