newfoundmass Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Dunjoye said: What's even funnier, were people that were saying the heating issue was a lazy excuse for Canon not implementing raw & higher bit rate on their DSLR years back are now the same people complaining about over heating on the R5 & R6. I guess there is no pleasing some. You know what Panasonic did when they released a camera that needed active cooling to prevent it from overheating? They added a fan and vents. Why? Because it made no sense to offer all the features of the S1H if it couldn't handle it. It was a choice to go this route. Kisaha, Emanuel and SteveV4D 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plucas Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Is it 100% confirmed that 24/25p modes suffer from the same heat issues? The chart only mentions 30p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, newfoundmass said: You know what Panasonic did when they released a camera that needed active cooling to prevent it from overheating? They added a fan and vents. Why? Because it made no sense to offer all the features of the S1H if it couldn't handle it. It was a choice to go this route. In a couple of words: business & C-series. 12 hours ago, Super8 said: Would an external recorder solve the overheating issue? Might this be the SAVE that Canon could use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 hours ago, newfoundmass said: You know what Panasonic did when they released a camera that needed active cooling to prevent it from overheating? They added a fan and vents. Why? Because it made no sense to offer all the features of the S1H if it couldn't handle it. It was a choice to go this route. But at the same time, they forgot to add auto focus. No one out there is quite ticking all the boxes are they... Emanuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, Emanuel said: In a couple of words: business & C-series. That links does not work in the quote. I did go back and see the response you wrote about your own hdmi question. Firmware would easily unlock the other recording modes to and external recorder. Unless this isn't technically possible I'm not worried about the R5 overheating issue. External will be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 8 hours ago, zerocool22 said: Dude once again, that is on you and not the camera. You know you need to shoot with an IR filter on a bm camera.... Offcourse they are still selling them as they are brilliant cameras for an amazing price. Of course they are still selling them with the IR issue. Brilliant is not the word I would use for unstable color. Yannick Willox, zerocool22, TheRenaissanceMan and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade towell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 It is so well documented that BM cameras need IR filter I find it hard to believe any person working in the industry is not aware of this. It is down to you to hire crew who know what they are doing if you haven't a clue yourself zerocool22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, MrSMW said: But at the same time, they forgot to add auto focus. No one out there is quite ticking all the boxes are they... I mean, at least it works? 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Super8 said: Of course they are still selling them with the IR issue. Brilliant is not the word I would use for unstable color. You know even camera's that cost 10 times as much have the same IR issue(RED)? Its not even an issue, you use a IR filter. I guess most camera's are flawed in your perspective, oh gee I cannot shoot at 1.2 during a sunny afternoon because its all overexposed, yeah guess what "the ND filter was also not included". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, ade towell said: It is so well documented that BM cameras need IR filter I find it hard to believe any person working in the industry is not aware of this. It is down to you to hire crew who know what they are doing if you haven't a clue yourself It's up to the crew to provide cameras that delivery usable footage. The crew did not deliver what was promised. IR pollution is on all BMP6K footage to some extent. Look at 7:00 in on this video. The right side of that dress where the sun is hitting has IR pollution cast over that dress. All scenes with that dress and direct sunlight show this. I've actually grown to hate that BMP4-6K vintage look they produce because they colors are so off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade towell Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 With proper IR filter the BM cameras produce wonderful colour. You should do your research and hire crew that know what they're doing TheRenaissanceMan and zerocool22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Super8 said: Not sure what that link content says and if it links to the BH Photo write up. What do the cliff notes say? No other recording modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techie Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, ade towell said: With proper IR filter the BM cameras produce wonderful colour. You should do your research and hire crew that know what they're doing The problem is when information from genuine professionals is messed up with disinformation from trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Emanuel said: No other recording modes. And with most cameras external recording modes can be unlocked via firmware. 2 minutes ago, techie said: The problem is when information from genuine professionals is messed up with disinformation from trolls. You can look at the sample video I posted. Yes you need a IR filter with BM cameras but most assume it's only if you use ND filters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 If so, to couple with an external recorder might do the trick if the heat doesn't come up internally from sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Just now, Emanuel said: If so, to couple with an external recorder might do the trick if the heat doesn't come up internally from sensor. You still have heat generated but not nearly as much as internally. Now this would be another Atomos partnership which hasn't been as perfect as if could have been with other companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Super8 said: It's up to the crew to provide cameras that delivery usable footage. The crew did not deliver what was promised. IR pollution is on all BMP6K footage to some extent. Look at 7:00 in on this video. The right side of that dress where the sun is hitting has IR pollution cast over that dress. All scenes with that dress and direct sunlight show this. I've actually grown to hate that BMP4-6K vintage look they produce because they colors are so off. Whats the point of bringing in examples without an IR cut filter.... Maybe your part of the reason why disney only releases junk. (except for the mandalorian) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 hours ago, newfoundmass said: You know what Panasonic did when they released a camera that needed active cooling to prevent it from overheating? They added a fan and vents. Why? Because it made no sense to offer all the features of the S1H if it couldn't handle it. It was a choice to go this route. Exactly. They wanted to make a workhorse m43, they put a huge heat sink there, they wanted a workhorse full frame camera, they added active cooling. The only reason Black Magic 4/6K cameras are that big, is the cooling solutions. It is not a coincidence that normal video cameras are quite big, at least bigger than the common mirrorless. It is well known that maximum performance's enemy is heat, look at the cooling solutions in PCs. Quite obviously this is not a video workhorse camera, it is a great photocamera with a good showcase of what is coming in the C series. newfoundmass and Emanuel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Whats the point of bringing in examples without an IR cut filter.... Maybe your part of the reason why disney only releases junk. (except for the mandalorian) Because people assume BM and P6K only has IR issues if they use ND's. Why do you mention Disney and me together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Just now, Super8 said: Because people assume BM and P6K only has IR issues if they use ND's. Why do you mention Disney and me together? No you assume. Because you have mentioned it several times that you even had clients like disney... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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