Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 16, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, AlexTrinder96 said: So is every other resolution oversampled? Using the full sensor? 8K, 6K, 4K etc? In-sensor scaling. So pixel binning? Because if it is in-sensor, it can't be oversampling, unless the sensor has some alien tech we don't know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: It is marketing shenanigans. A banner halo product to say "We make the best technology and have 12K, but Canon only has 8K". I don't think it exists because of demand or creativity, or doing what Pocket customers want. There is most definitely demand. I can verify that a hundred times over. Just not with consumers. MurtlandPhoto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said: Lol then take your money elsewhere friend. today even the R5 is looking like a reasonable option, that's all I can say!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The MacBook Pro being able to play back 12K BRAW was impressive, too. Resolve being fleshed out into a full editing suite might be one of the most brilliant moves they have done, long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super8 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 12k to get good 8K and then 4K 240p ? This is BM raising their pricing level. Now the $4,995 BM looks better and the $1995 P6K looks great. It's sad that they didn't give us a better sensor with better organic DR and color like the original BM cameras. BM had a chance to reset the field and they decided to shock the industry instead of making a better product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted July 16, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Neumann Films said: There is most definitely demand. I can verify that a hundred times over. Just not with consumers. Interesting. But why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: You might still get either from blackmagic or another brand. in the future we will get the same in smaller and cheaper cameras, but today it is not needed, we need a pocket, with IBIS, DPAF, 6K/4K for a SOLO shooter, not this. An opportunity lost again!!! SoerenM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said: Interesting. But why? I know you didn't ask me, but I see great use for this cam in stock footage and 4K interviews. newfoundmass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoerenM Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: In-sensor scaling. So pixel binning? Because if it is in-sensor, it can't be oversampling, unless the sensor has some alien tech we don't know about. Exactly my thoughts - BUT... in the video Grant explicitly mentions it is NOT pixel binning but in-sensor scaling... but he was a bit "wishy-washy" about this part. Like suggesting it would still be RAW then without explicitly stating it 😉 ... I guess thats where BRAW comes into play as it's at least "partly de-bayered" already anyways afaik... So it's scaled "not really totally technically RAW but yeah still BRAW"........ 😄 (so technically it would/should then debayer and scale/oversample on the sensor... then the log image goes into BRAW...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said: I know you didn't ask me, but I see great use for this cam in stock footage and 4K interviews. really?, there are much better tools for the job, C200, C300, etc, nobody needs this except fan boys!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said: Interesting. But why? Money, I guess. There's the obvious candidates (display manufacturers) but then there's weird ones that I had never thought of. Major streaming platforms, codec developers, peripherals. Not so much in the western world but they are all about pushing that tech in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: Interesting. But why? For someone like @Neumann Films I can imagine 12K is very tempting/useful for his stock footage work. Basically makes it future proof for years and years to come. Katrikura 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ade towell Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 JB has said it's not a Bayer sensor and did 12k edit and colour on 2017 laptop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hijodeibn Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, newfoundmass said: For someone like @Neumann Films I can imagine 12K is very tempting/useful for his stock footage work. Basically makes it future proof for years and years to come. a new camera for stock footage, Great Work Blackmagic!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, newfoundmass said: For someone like @Neumann Films I can imagine 12K is very tempting/useful for his stock footage work. Basically makes it future proof for years and years to come. Exactly. I don't like re-work or having to redo things. So if I travel somewhere or take time to set up a fun creative shoot...I'd like that to be "sellable" for as long as humanly possible. Katrikura and newfoundmass 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, hijodeibn said: really?, they are much better tools for the job, C200, C300, etc, nobody needs this except fan boys!!! How is a C200 or C300 a better tool for stock footage and interviews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neumann Films Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: a new camera for stock footage, Great Work Blackmagic!!! I probably would not use this for anything else. Not a fan of their cameras or their workflow. I'm sure it's the perfect camera for other applications too though. It's a specialty tool. Katrikura 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoerenM Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, ade towell said: JB has said it's not a Bayer sensor Hm only thing Grant said about it in the video (as far as I remember) was that it's not the typical bayer pattern... but a variation... well it is definitely not a Foveon sensor so there is not really any other possibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurier Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I m a bit sceptical too, the DR is lower than the G2 and unless you shoot landscapes, who need that much resolution ? I spent two weeks softening models skins recently with footage from the 4.6k and that already too much if you use modern glass ( They are selling their new colour science with models with flawless skins, it s nice but that not the norm ) I was more expecting a Phantom camera competitor, with that amount of data, they could have done a 1000fps 4k camera with no crop . Geoff CB and Danyyyel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, hijodeibn said: really?, there are much better tools for the job, C200, C300, etc, nobody needs this except fan boys!!! Feel free to move along friend. Others can use tools you don't personally like. newfoundmass and Katrikura 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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