Blackmagic casually announces 12K URSA Mini Pro Camera

[Andrew Reid]

https://www.eoshd.com/news/blackmagic-casually-announces-12k-ursa-mini-pro-camera/

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursaminipro

Oh no! The megapixel race has come to cinema.

$10,000 with an 80 megapixel Super 35mm sensor, the new URSA Mini Pro shoots 12K BRAW.

The technology in this camera is practically unheard of.

[Video Hummus]

What sensor is it using?

[Neumann Films]

Did anyone hear/notice any info on release date?

[Andrew Reid]

1 minute ago, Neumann Films said:

Did anyone hear/notice any info on release date?

On the 5th day of the month that the dark side of the moon becomes visible for first time and Jupiter turns blue.

2 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

What sensor is it using?

Good question! What was wrong with a 6K full frame Sony!?

[gt3rs]

From my understanding 8k and 4k are not  cropped but scaled at least from the product page. 

So you should get 4k, 8k and 12k all raw and the same field of view that makes it much more practical.

 

[MurtlandPhoto]

2 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

From my understanding 8k and 4k are not  cropped but scaled at least from the product page. 

So you should get 4k, 8k and 12k all raw and the same field of view that makes it much more practical.

 

Exactly. It should make the camera relevant for years. 4K in 2020, 8K in 2022, and 12K whenever that comes. But honestly I see huge use for 12K capture of 4K stock footage.

 

[nickname]

i understood it´s not a bayer sensor and you can scale the image resolution on sensor to get full uninterpolated color at 8k raw s-35. which is pretty neat.

[LeoParker]

Andrew, Black Magic should definitely consider hiring you as a Product Designer or Marketing Manager! 😉

[JordanWright]

11 minutes ago, Neumann Films said:

Did anyone hear/notice any info on release date?

Top DPs first, shipping in a few weeks to everyone else

[Andrew Reid]

WHAT?!

Sounds like a made up sensor invented by @androidlad

1 minute ago, JordanWright said:

Top DPs first, shipping in a few weeks to everyone else

I'll believe that when I see it 😉

[Video Hummus]

11 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Good question! What was wrong with a 6K full frame Sony!?

That it’s a Sony sensor. If it’s a non Sony sensor, I think it highlights the importance, that at least blackmagic thinks, of shopping around or working with another sensor manufacturer other than Sony.

[Andrew Reid]

I don't mind where they get the sensor from.

I just think 6K full frame would have more use, creatively and be more in demand than a 12K S35 URSA

[wondo]

who needs this? and why??

[jack jin]

@Andrew Reid John Brawley said on the official BM forum that it has the same rolling shutter as the ursa pro g2 at 12k at around 15ms, and 6ms in 8k. Which is I think the same as the alexa.

[jack jin]

3 minutes ago, wondo said:

who needs this? and why??

It does a full sensor readout even in raw on the lower resolution, since it uses a full RGB pattern sensor, so basically you get insanely clean and sharp 8k, 6k, and 4k since they are all downsampled from the full 12k resolution.

[nickname]

2 minutes ago, wondo said:

who needs this? and why??

no debayer. it´s a pefekt 4k, 6k, 8k, cam. id the 14 stops are true this is the next step in motion picture imagers.

[wondo]

so i would have to pay for a 12k camera just to get insanely sharp 4k images and then put a shitload of filters on the lens, and probably a net on the back, just to get nice cinematic images?

this is nuts!

[jack jin]

3 minutes ago, wondo said:

so i would have to pay for a 12k camera just to get insanely sharp 4k images and then put a shitload of filters on the lens, and probably a net on the back, just to get nice cinematic images?

this is nuts!

Well with the way that blackmagic raw handles compression the sharpness won't be that apparent. Their demosiac algorithm often smoothes out some of the higher level details and noise in order for better compression, so the details even when downsampled from 12k are going to be a improvement around some more subtle areas. It's going to be textures rather then digital sharpness.

[zerocool22]

These days im not sure what the future of camera tech should be like. I dont even need 4k, sometimes I think ibis can come in handy, but then you see some wobbly images and I change my mind instantly. For cinema uses there isnt a need for more iso options iso 800 is great. I guess most cameras have decent DR nowadays. AF is cool for gimbal work and one man band kinda jobs, but for cinema it doesnt look it will ever come. The alexa does still looks the most amazing, and thats a 10 year old sensor. So maybe the future of filmmaking lies in the innovation of lighting. Aputure set a great example in modular lighting and arri followed suit. But I guess prices and current led tech isnt quite there yet for the masses.

[deezid]

34 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Good question! What was wrong with a 6K full frame Sony!?

The IMX410 on the S1H/S1/Mavo LF/A73/FX9/F6/Z6 etc. is a 12 bit ADC only design.
BMD usually uses 14 ADC on their flagship models.