Blackmagic casually announces 12K URSA Mini Pro Camera

[gt3rs]

5 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

BRAW is a very edit friendly codec that runs well on my computer.  At least with Resolve it does.  I would wager it will be a lot easier to edit 12K BRAW than 8K H265 files.  

That for sure even canon RAW are much easier to edit than 4k h265 10bit 4:2:2.

[Andrew Reid]

47 minutes ago, Dimitris Stasinos said:

 

 

Director:

Is the tree also 12K? Or 4K?

Client:

I want the fucking tree in 16K

Dp:

Heard of a zoom?

[SteveV4D]

I wonder if this is Blackmagics attempts to be taken more seriously in the Video Professional World.  Perhaps they want their products to be used to the same extent as Arri Alexa, Red and even Canon for high end Professional work.  They've gone all out to impress and the specs are powerful.  

Yet, documentary filmmakers probably go with the C300 for its great AF, and feature film and TV Productions Alexa for its reliability.  2 things I have not always associated with Blackmagic.  12K will be a specialist resolution for many, and even 8K isn't on the list of requirements for most TV Companies.  

It's another case of a Camera maker pushing what is possible for a future we shall all one day enjoy.  I'd be interested in seeing some footage when this is camera is realised, though not in 12K....  Alas I'm stuck in the dark ages with just a pitiable 4K TV.  How sad is that.  😪

[ade towell]

I said it in the other thread which is now getting a bit fractious but I think they're going for RED's market

[SteveV4D]

6 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

That for sure even canon RAW are much easier to edit than 4k h265 10bit 4:2:2.

Exactly and Canon 8K RAW is also a lot easier to edit than HD AVCHD files I once shot in when starting out in my Business 10 years ago.  For some reason, they would often crash Premiere even though 4K H264 were relatively okay.  I'm on any bandwagon that sees camera codecs being more edit friendly.

[hijodeibn]

8 minutes ago, ade towell said:

I said it in the other thread which is now getting a bit fractious but I think they're going for RED's market

I read you comment and most probably you are right, but RED's cameras have an incredible codec that use so less physical space that is hard to believe anyone will migrate from RED to Blackmagic, also soon we will have the new 6K RED, with autofocus, in a small package, and for less money, I think Blackmagic will not be able to catch that market.

[Yannick Willox]

This sensor seems like the next thing. 12K full sensor readout to 4K braw - how do they do it ? 

Intrigued by the new color science as well.

[BTM_Pix]

9 minutes ago, ade towell said:

I said it in the other thread which is now getting a bit fractious 

You're not kidding.

 

[gt3rs]

I think for wildlife doc and things like that it could be a competition to RED at 8k 110 fps you can do slow motion you can reframe so you can have bit of margin.... let say for a cheetah hunt could be quite handy... the formfactor could be an issue as you cannot easily mount it on gimbals, drones or cineflex .

If it would have been FF and another formfactor would for sure more appealing... anyway impressive achievement imo 

[Video Hummus]

36 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

You're not kidding.

 

Most of the threads end this way.

[m0fe]

I give up, why why why why? Who in their camera user base asked for this hey? They read the forums and know what everyone is saying about their cameras so why don't they tackle the big  issues first, something we all really really want and will happily pay a little bit more for.

Now that rant is over. 

This was in development for a while and was scheduled for releasing before COVID got in the way. This has a place for sure and as the Ursa is their new tech development platform it's a no brainer more cameras are coming with more K's 

[BTM_Pix]

11 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Most of the threads end this way.

The announcement ones tend to, certainly.

The A7Siii one at the end of the month will likely spontaneously combust before the end of the first slide in the presentation.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

8 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The announcement ones tend to, certainly.

The A7Siii one at the end of the month will likely spontaneously combust before the end of the first slide in the presentation.

For sure one will say "that's why the S1H have a fan" when the thread is engulfed in flames.

[Tim Sewell]

24 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The A7Siii one at the end of the month will likely spontaneously combust before the end of the first slide in the presentation.

I'm washing my hair that night.

[Anaconda_]

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High Speed Frame Rates

12K 17:9 full sensor up to 60 fps
8K DCI full sensor up to 110 fps
4K DCI full sensor up to 110 fps
8K 2.4:1 and 4K 2.4:1 up to 140 fps

6K Super 16 up to 120 fps
4K Super 16 up to 220 fps

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicursaminipro/techspecs/W-URSA-36

[McSaint]

I think there is a bit of a political move here as well. Studio execs LOVE big numbers. "Oh, that new camera is higher resolution than any other camera? I want my films shot on that". Now, I think the move away from bayer pattern for full RGB and the insane gradability this footage will likely have is in my mind worth the price. But they made a good decision being higher resolution than their competition, and rest assured this camera is not in direct competition with the A7s or S1h, its with RED and ARRI. They are making the feature film and TV industry sit up and notice them and this is a good thing.

[PaulUsher]

3 hours ago, androidlad said:

this 12K sensor is a custom version of Canon's 120MXSC

We should be in for some sweet rolling shutter then 😉 

[sanveer]

49 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

The announcement ones tend to, certainly.

The A7Siii one at the end of the month will likely spontaneously combust before the end of the first slide in the presentation.

I believe it has some interesting heat sink tricks up its sleeve, while maintaining weather proofing. Something Canon forgot while making their Barbeque R5 and R6. 

[Leica50mm]

Any of you geeks seen this? 

 

[Leica50mm]

Of course it was shot with Zeiss Supremes , so there's that .