ion-sp Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Hi everyone! I'm planning to shoot staged short films and now I try to choose the right camera. I won't make videoblogs but versatility is important to me. I'll be shooting a lot of things right on the street and on the move. I really like the BMPCC 4K (or 6K) cause of the BRAW, the ability to work with SSD and the high quality of footage. But I'm very upset by the lack of a photo mode, a non-rotating screen, and the lack of IBIS. Panasonic S5 is on sale now and I'm thinking of buying it. So I'd like to ask a few questions. 1. Could I get the same cinematic footage from S5 as from BMPCC? BMPCC footage seems like magic to me. Could hybrid camera footage be the same? And is 10-bit 4:2:2 really that much different from BRAW? 2. Is there any Android app for Panasonic picture monitoring? Without HDMI and extra wires. 3. I heard that people don't like the lack of full-fledged HDMI input. So I want to ask why is micro-HDMI so bad? 4. Is it possible to disable noise reduction completely on S1H or on S5? In ProRes RAW mode or during internal recording. I'd be grateful for every answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Interesting DR comparison between the S5 and the BMPCC 6K : Amazeballs, christrad, Emanuel and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Trankilstef said: Interesting DR comparison between the S5 and the BMPCC 6K : Beating BMPCC6K BRAW is quite impressive. Trankilstef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Amazeballs said: Beating BMPCC6K BRAW is quite impressive. That's what i think too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Any links to s5 deals (like extra battery, SD or combo deal with EF adapter) in europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beritar Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=6186842&fbclid=IwAR1zH-9Ya8JgxYwCBfaDT7T3XJmh6luM6ZJWeWaKAT8bpvmSP6K_PhRM6nc Chinese review techie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Amazeballs said: Beating BMPCC6K BRAW is quite impressive. Why, BRAW is more about 12 bit colour than DR. You can see that in the colour holding up in my opinion better on the Pocket 6K footage, aside from some red clipping. A fullframe sensor is obviously going to be less noisy than a S35 one and this test focused very much on noise in shadow areas. Again comparing H264 to RAW, can be comparing no NR to some NR.. The advantages of RAW are more with changing ISO and WB and working with 12 bit colour. Given the S1 and S1H has better DR than the Pockets, its not hard to expect the S5 to follow in that line. christrad, Kisaha and Emanuel 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 The DR advantages of some of the latest FF cameras like S1/H/S5 and A7SIII to be exact are quite impressive for the prices. deezid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, SteveV4D said: can be comparing no NR to some NR.. Coming from a Pocket 4K with cDNG to one with Braw let me tell you BMD is using actually quite a bit of NR - although I have to admit the Pocket 6K thankfully does way less than the Pocket 4K when I had to switch to Braw (because I had to get a replacement for my broken unit). The S5 looks weird though, reminds me about the S1H pre firmware 2.0. Looks like temporal noise reduction forced on again...🙄 Also red (and blue) clipping isn't something that can be easily fixed. 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Trankilstef said: Interesting DR comparison between the S5 and the BMPCC 6K : Interesting that BM fanboys got triggered after I post this on the Panasonic S1 group, something to do with guy not setting up BM camera correctly or something. Fanboys 🤨 Trankilstef and Lux Shots 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 hours ago, deezid said: Also red (and blue) clipping isn't something that can be easily fixed. 😞 Someone suggested Gen5 colour either solved or limited it. Though not tested it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Yeah with the lens deal, I think this is a too good of a deal to pass up on. The S1H has one stop of ibis more, 4K 60 FPS without crop and the anti aliasing filter, (not interested in external recording) but thats not worth twice the price for me at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Yeah with the lens deal, I think this is a too good of a deal to pass up on. The S1H has one stop of ibis more, 4K 60 FPS without crop and the anti aliasing filter, (not interested in external recording) but thats not worth twice the price for me at least. S1H also have crop when shooting 4k60P. Lux Shots and zerocool22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, ntblowz said: S1H also have crop when shooting 4k60P. Ah thats interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Shots Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I just sold my GH5S kit at a major loss (body, 12-60 lens, battery grip and 5 OEM batteries for $1500), so I can get the S5. I just have too many problems matching color between the GH5S and the S1H. Anyone know of a filter that I can use to reduce the chance of morie, since the S5 doesn't have an anti-aliasing filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Lux Shots said: I just sold my GH5S kit at a major loss (body, 12-60 lens, battery grip and 5 OEM batteries for $1500), so I can get the S5. I just have too many problems matching color between the GH5S and the S1H. Anyone know of a filter that I can use to reduce the chance of morie, since the S5 doesn't have an anti-aliasing filter? Wonder will Pro mist filter work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Shots Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Good Question. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I often need to have two cameras running at the same time. I guess I will have to buy another Ninja V so I can get 5.9K ProRes RAW too. 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beritar Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Popco review with IBIS test: https://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=dica_review&page=&category=&sn1=&divpage=&sn=&ss=&sc=&select_arrange=&desc=&no=1112&ReviewUrl=1Sec_LUMIXS5_4Kmovie.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Well I just made my balance pre-order payment with CVP in the UK so it must be on it's way very shortly... Obviously I will do my own testing, but on the basis that the AF works best (for video) at a higher frame rate, APSC crop, longer rather than wider focal lengths and higher shutter speeds, that bodes well as that's how I shoot! I can always send it back if it's not up to par but I have a feeling, especially for my needs, it's going to be. Better be as I sold off everything I have in advance to raise the funds and it's my only big shift in kit in 9 years! I will find out soon enough... Trankilstef and Video Hummus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 5 hours ago, MrSMW said: Well I just made my balance pre-order payment with CVP in the UK so it must be on it's way very shortly... Same for me here in France, I just received the cinfirmation mail that it will be delivered to me tomorrow. Just in time for some projects coming ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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