hyalinejim Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, TheBoogieKnight said: It does have 4k 60 10-bit surely? It does but it's 4:2:0 not 4:2:2 in 4k 60. Shouldn't be an issue for the contrasty profiles but there might be banding in V-Log if you push it hard. TheBoogieKnight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: there is no S1 in that comparison video though 🙂 Right. S5. The lack of capital letters from your side to begin the periods and their verbiage on their many different camera model version additions made my mess, very true : ) Thanks for correcting and bringing me back to track :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Emanuel said: Right. S5. The lack of capital letters from your side to begin the periods and their verbiage on their many different camera model versions additions made my mess, very true. Thanks for correcting and bringing me back to track :- ) oh sorry, I will try to keep an eye out for that 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beritar Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Davos said: No 4K 60 10 bit. No All-I. Instant show stoppers for me. This is before you get to the AF which just doesn't cut it these days. Plus the IBIS doesn't look great, given they're targetting this at vloggers with flippy screen and size, another miss. I agree with Gerald Undone's assessment that it's a strange combo - will ultimately support anamorphic but no 4K 60 10 bit and All-I? Missed opportunity all round. Strange choices by Pannasonic. As an aside the leaked specs didn't match up. Based on the video, the S5 IBIS is worse than the S1H but seems good enough. The A7III is helpless though ... I would like to see a comparison between the GH5/S5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, zerocool22 said: oh sorry, I will try to keep an eye out for that 🙂 No worries : ) Important is to keep information up. S5 IBIS performance has surprised me against S1H. I wonder if the tester used identical stabilized lenses in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoogieKnight Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Emanuel said: No worries : ) Important is to keep information up. S5 IBIS performance has surprised me against S1H. I wonder if the tester used identical stabilized lenses in fact. I think in the video that was just using IBIS in camera without lens stabilisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheBoogieKnight said: I think in the video that was just using IBIS in camera without lens stabilisation. I guess from not identical lenses, hence my wondering... Because if so, that's a truly mistake from tester's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 PS: Mere lens weight can interfere in the outcome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoldstraw Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 9 hours ago, Trek of Joy said: The a6600 is $1198. That’s a far cry from $2000. The a7IV isn’t going to get a $500 price hike as it’s a parts bin camera, it’s just cobbled together with tech developed from other cameras In a down spec body. The S5 is DOA for anyone that’s not a Panny die hard mostly because of its trash AF compared to the competition and other hits from the cripple hammer. The R6 and the now ancient a7III will easily crush it. And the a7IV is going to mop the floor with all of these, unless the a7c turns out to be something special instead of just a small FF body. In the UK currently, the A6600 plus kit lens is £1700. The A7iii, plus kit lens, is currently available for is £1900. But it has only come down to that level because it's relatively old. The S5 is being debuted at £2000 including kit lens. I'm including one lens here because I suspect people stepping up to FF from M43/APS-C will largely be starting again, glass-wise. Sony's FF lens compatibility with its APS-C line might give it a modest starting advantage here. Remember, Sony still has the upcoming A7C to squeeze in to the picture. Common sense dictates that that there will have to be some clear blue water between that and the A6600. The same principle will apply to the A7iv, which I confidently predict will put it much closer to the R6 in price than the S5. As for the R6 itself, I don't know how you think a camera which stops working so frequently 'crushes' one which just works, albeit you have to take more care with focusing issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgvro Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Yeah I wonder how much of that extra steadiness in the S1H was actually due to weight! It absolutely looks better than the S5 though. Curious how the GH5 (and newer XT4 fw's) stack up but I guess I can search some videos on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 yes well the S1 and S1H have 1 stop more of ibis over the S5, but I am still leaning towards the S5 because of the weight(flipscreen). For walking shots you still need a gymbal/glidecam anyways so I figure I rather lift 300GR less each time I fly it. And prolly because it is smaller and lighter it gets mounted much faster, and doesnt need that much precision on a ronin s for example(could be wrong but I def noticed the difference rigging a RED vs my old GH4). Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I think the IBIS on the S1 and S1H is better in part because the cameras are heavier and the weight helps a bit with that. The S5 is approaching half the weight of those cameras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I agree on the form factor. Ergonomics, lightweight... can do the whole difference for both ends. Even though, that 1-stop of difference can be the culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trek of Joy Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 3 hours ago, agoldstraw said: In the UK currently, the A6600 plus kit lens is £1700. The A7iii, plus kit lens, is currently available for is £1900. But it has only come down to that level because it's relatively old. The S5 is being debuted at £2000 including kit lens. I'm including one lens here because I suspect people stepping up to FF from M43/APS-C will largely be starting again, glass-wise. Sony's FF lens compatibility with its APS-C line might give it a modest starting advantage here. Remember, Sony still has the upcoming A7C to squeeze in to the picture. Common sense dictates that that there will have to be some clear blue water between that and the A6600. The same principle will apply to the A7iv, which I confidently predict will put it much closer to the R6 in price than the S5. As for the R6 itself, I don't know how you think a camera which stops working so frequently 'crushes' one which just works, albeit you have to take more care with focusing issues. The R6 crushes it because Canon has a significantly larger user base, a vastly better lens selection thanks to seamless integration with EF lenses and class leading AF. Photographers buy more cameras than video centric users, and right now the L-mount options are limited and pretty overpriced compared to the competition. Panasonic was just too late to the game. The a7c and a74 will easily co-exist at similar price points, those looking for something more compact will go with the a7c, those wanting dual cards and more controls will get the a74. The a74 inherits bits from other cameras already in production, development costs are much lower, my prediction is it won't see a significant price increase, maybe a bump to something like $2198, but with the way the market is cratering who knows. I thought the a7s3 would be more like 3800-3900 and its 3500. I'm sure the s5 will make its users happy, but its still going to get smashed by Canon and Sony's ~$2k offerings. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack jin Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just wondering if any of you have seen some artifacts from your 10bit s1 vlog footage. From what I downloaded back then I am seeing color blotches on slightly underexposed skintones and surfaces, which makes me kind of worried about the s5's vlog footage since they are using the same codecs. Have anyone else experienced a similar artifact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyalinejim Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Is it a straight out of camera file?Yesterday I downloaded some "sample" S1 VLog that was edited and encoded to ProRes. When I pushed it I saw highlight banding that I never see with GH5 VLog mp4s, and that I haven't seen with S1 SOOC files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, jack jin said: Just wondering if any of you have seen some artifacts from your 10bit s1 vlog footage. From what I downloaded back then I am seeing color blotches on slightly underexposed skintones and surfaces, which makes me kind of worried about the s5's vlog footage since they are using the same codecs. Have anyone else experienced a similar artifact? Are you using Adobe or transcoding to ProRes with Apple software first? Adobe's interpretation of HEVC is broken. I can post comparisons if you're curious. I transcode to ProRes (in Finder, actually) first and it dramatically improves the HEVC image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 The S5 looks like a winner to me, aside from video AF/micro hdmi. For my needs, I would definitely pick it over anything Sony, canon R5/R6 and Fuji xt4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux Shots Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 15 hours ago, zerocool22 said: Does the OIS and ibis also work togheter if the lens is a canon EF lens? No, definitely not. zerocool22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lux Shots said: No, definitely not. What about the r6 and EF lenses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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