secondavenuesubway Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 It's likely to have the usual weak Panasonic contrast-detect autofocus, so I'd guess Sony's not got much to worry about. Panasonic's autofocus has been inadequate for years, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I could seem them releasing a firmware update for the S1 and S1H to readjust the product segments. Otherwise this S5 is stepping on the S1’s toes so to speak. If they adjust the S1 up in features then the S1H would need a price drop or a firmware. Lux Shots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 9:36 AM, herein2020 said: I'm just curious, if you already own the S1 is the S5 really so much better that you would buy it? If the GH6 had such minor upgrades over the GH5 I would not buy it. I think the only thing that would get me into a GH6 would be 4K120. Dual gain ISO, and ProRes would be pretty nice too though. It's time to stop fetishising Prores - h264 422 10-bit ALL-I and h265 422 10-bit ALL-I codecs are better than Prores at the same bitrate, and h265 doesn't have much advantage over h264 either, so you're better off with h264 because it's very friendly in post and shouldn't require transcoding. Vertical axis is better IQ, and horizontal axis is bitrate - read more here: On 8/18/2020 at 11:54 PM, Mark Romero 2 said: It's not particularly good in terms of picking out what exactly to focus on. Anyone who has ever watched their AF system focus on the wrong thing should know that AF isn't about how many dual pixels you have, when they're focusing on the wrong thing then your shot is still ruined. I switched to manual focus and have never looked back. 21 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: I could seem them releasing a firmware update for the S1 and S1H to readjust the product segments. Otherwise this S5 is stepping on the S1’s toes so to speak. If they adjust the S1 up in features then the S1H would need a price drop or a firmware. Currently my GH5 is still kicking all these cameras asses, because of the firmware updates it got and these camera MIGHT get. You're all jumping at shadows - until these cameras either do (or don't) get higher bitrate ALL-I codecs then it's all conjecture. Panasonic have hinted very strongly that a GH camera is coming, and wether this is true or not doesn't really matter - some or all of these cameras will get firmware updates to hugely upgrade them, and if they don't then it will be because there's another camera that will come in and take a place higher up in the lineup. Chill and let the dust settle. Or, more likely, wait until all the options have even been put on the table, then let the dust settle, even just a little.... dgvro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 So I guess @Andrew Reid is already shooting with it? Really curious about your thoughts vs S1 and competitor after the embargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I hope they drop their current af so I can hopefully use their new cameras on a feature production. Daai 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuchie Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I think we're going to have to introduce a superior AF system and sell to a wide range of people to make our business viable, because cameras will sell even less in the future. People who need MF can simply turn off AF. There is no need to deny the superior AF system. Daai and Hanriverprod 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 From @AndrewReid - "more than you expect" - very intrigued. I'm guessing everyone here as seen the leaked specs, so I wonder what the "more" is? Perhaps the AF actually works? ToF or some new DFD algorithm make it feel and act like PDAF? Possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanriverprod Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Maybe panasonic is content with their 5% of the market. Or they are listening to the “real professionals” who are telling them AF is for amateurs and little kids and “real professionals” like to use their wrists 👋💦 Before anyone takes this personal I’m just kidding. 🤗 Yurolov and dgvro 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrothersthre3 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I wonder if the S1 can handle 10 bit 4k 60p internal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSV Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4K 60p crop (S35 pixel by Pixel) => NOPE, 10Bit => Yep, 4,2,0 = NOPE Same AF => NOPE. Looking for the GH6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyFan12 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Is the APS-C mode in the S1 pixel/pixel? The manual seems to indicate otherwise? I'm assuming 6k photo mode is pixel/pixel at least. It's very good. Probably easy to record a clip in each mode and compare the UHD center crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 I wonder how the AF and ibis is going to be with EF lenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 From Nokishita on Twitter : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 "Panasonic S5 set to challenge Sony A7 IV, pencilled for September 2nd reveal" This suggests the Achilles heal, the autofocus has been Fixed. "Whatever Sony have up their sleeve, it better be good because I know what full frame camera is coming next from Panasonic and it’s mightily impressive, more than you expect." This 100% confirms that the autofocus handicap had been fixed (and that it will be the first camera with the New Autofocus Transition), and also a few kickass new features too (multiple options for focussing like a proper gaffer, on film shoots). Way better image in photos. Maybe a new (higher resolution) sensor and/or much faster photo burst modes. I also suspect an improvement to VLog and or 1-2 VLog standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Really excited to see whats this is all about. If it can compete with the next Sony a7IV according to @AndrewReid then something is different from other Panasonic cameras with this one. Let's hope they offer some breakthrough new DFD technology wich comes close to PDAF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 That not only makes the S1 a lesser keeper in the linup but rather the stinker after one and a half year after its introduction. Will sell it I guess before prices drop too much. Was close to buy the VLOG update for 200. Not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgharding Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 TBH on the S1H I don't miss the AF now I'm used to it. I went back to a C200 a while back, and I was trusting it was AF, and it was actually slightly out through the whole interview. Now I always do that in MF too. IronFilm and ntblowz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 This is becoming increasingly interesting to me... My only two criticisms of the S1 (for stills) and S1H (for video) pairing that I was previously considering was: A: The size...which whilst not a deal-breaker, was/is larger than I’d ideally like to work with and B: The AF which was/is a deal-breaker. There is actually a third and that is the big white LUMIX lettering, but that can be reduced with some black paint. So yes, with a size reduction over the existing models and AF of at least an acceptable standard, could this be a hybrid finally that ticks all my boxes? I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davos Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 l rumours say $2K, continuous recording, no limits. Doesn't explicitly state flippy screen, but does say for vlogging so given that plus Panasonic's history assume it will have one. Wasn't expecting this dark horse. Very interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandido Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 PDAF, PDAF, PDAF....That is what everybody wants to see. It is the year 2020 Panasonic. It is time to join Canon, Sony, and Nikon. Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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