Canon Cinema EOS C70 - Ah that explains it then!

[Andrew Reid]

1D C .... APS-C edition.

[BenEricson]

I'm guessing 4500USD. Does it have a rear screen?

[ntblowz]

6 minutes ago, BenEricson said:

I'm guessing 4500USD. Does it have a rear screen?

Rumored price is $6299,  dont think it will cost $4500 when C300III still cost over $10K

The one with C200 sensor will cost $3499 though

 

It should have rear screen, that for right is the mechanic for filppy screen

[Video Hummus]

19 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

1D C .... APS-C edition.

Which bodes well. If Canon releases a EF-RF speed booster you could get FF FOV with EF glass and native autofocus performance.

[Rob6]

5 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

Which bodes well. If Canon releases a EF-RF speed booster you could get FF FOV with EF glass and native autofocus performance.

I don't think there is any chance they will release a speed booster because they want to sell RF Lenses. I hope I am wrong! Speedbooster would be sweet on this camera... if its made by Canon. The canon adapter on the r5 is perfect and I don't have any issues with it ever on the R5. 

[Video Hummus]

4 hours ago, Rob6 said:

I don't think there is any chance they will release a speed booster because they want to sell RF Lenses. I hope I am wrong! Speedbooster would be sweet on this camera... if its made by Canon. The canon adapter on the r5 is perfect and I don't have any issues with it ever on the R5. 

But it’d S35 sensor with FF RF mount.

[Avenger 2.0]

7 hours ago, Rob6 said:

I don't think there is any chance they will release a speed booster because they want to sell RF Lenses. I hope I am wrong! Speedbooster would be sweet on this camera... if its made by Canon. The canon adapter on the r5 is perfect and I don't have any issues with it ever on the R5. 

Sure Metabones can make one and Viltrox can clone it!

[UncleBobsPhotography]

2 hours ago, Avenger 2.0 said:

Sure Metabones can make one and Viltrox can clone it!

Metabones have made one: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1526307-REG/metabones_mbspef_efr_bt1_canon_ef_to_canon.html/amp

[Avenger 2.0]

57 minutes ago, UncleBobsPhotography said:

Metabones have made one: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1526307-REG/metabones_mbspef_efr_bt1_canon_ef_to_canon.html/amp

Nice to know. Guess it was made for the EOS R crop 4k video?

[dellfonic]

20 hours ago, Avenger 2.0 said:

Nice to know. Guess it was made for the EOS R crop 4k video?

Exactamundo, but bizarrely with the R5 it doesn't work - in use it's a car crash. I bought it specifically for unlimited 4K HQ in crop mode but confusingly it seems it only plays with the EOS R. Wasn't just a one-off either, it's a known non-starter for the R5. Canonrumours speculated that Canon will release their own speedbooster

[Avenger 2.0]

1 hour ago, dellfonic said:

Exactamundo, but bizarrely with the R5 it doesn't work - in use it's a car crash. I bought it specifically for unlimited 4K HQ in crop mode but confusingly it seems it only plays with the EOS R. Wasn't just a one-off either, it's a known non-starter for the R5. Canonrumours speculated that Canon will release their own speedbooster

Guess metabones can fix this with a firmware update if they want to.

[Mmmbeats]

I'm thinking this and the RF 28-70mm F/2 could be a gorgeous combination.

Upside: 

• Shoot beautiful footage for events and doc with no lens changes!

Downsides: 

• Makes an affordable camera into an expensive package.
• Bit long on the wide end.
• No stabilisation in either body or lens.
• A bit heavy (but that will help with stabilisation).

Tempting! 

[Video Hummus]

I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m definitely going to wait to see what Panasonic does with the GH6, see what Canon says about the C50/70, and Sony’s tiny FF FX6.

But if the GH6 doesn’t have PDAF or any markedly improved real world AF performance improvements, I’ve decided I’ll go RF. If it is missing AF and doesn’t have internal ND, internal compressed RAW, or something to make up for it then the writing is firmly etched on the wall for MFT at Panasonic.

Personally I think they need to do a L-mount GH6 With S35 sensor and somehow make it work to unify the system and “make L-mount the video mount” as they have said. Anyway...back to RF.

The R5, now with latest firmware, is almost a tolerable hybrid camera for my uses. Thank you @Andrew Reid, @horshack, @mechanicalEYE, and many others for doggedly shining the light on the cripple BS. I am convinced if the pressure was not placed on Canon we would not have any firmware improvements at all!

The release of these smaller (and more interesting imho) cinema series cameras from Canon has kinda sealed the deal for me. I could never justify spending $8-15K for a big Canon C camera body but 6K and below is more my territory. I fully appreciate more compact bodies. If Panasonic would have added PDAF to the S1H it would have been profoundly popular camera.

And with more affordable Sigma RF glass coming and the boat load of used and cheap EF glass from Canon and Sigma, it just makes more sense.

[independent]

16 hours ago, Avenger 2.0 said:

Guess metabones can fix this with a firmware update if they want to.

I let metabones know when the Speedbooster didn’t work on the R5. Well it worked except for the autofocus. Anyways, that was very early in the shipments and MB didn’t have access to the new camera. I’m guessing a firmware update would be likely. 

[herein2020]

9 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I think I’ve made up my mind. I’m definitely going to wait to see what Panasonic does with the GH6, see what Canon says about the C50/70, and Sony’s tiny FF FX6.

But if the GH6 doesn’t have PDAF or any markedly improved real world AF performance improvements, I’ve decided I’ll go RF. If it is missing AF and doesn’t have internal ND, internal compressed RAW, or something to make up for it then the writing is firmly etched on the wall for MFT at Panasonic.

Personally I think they need to do a L-mount GH6 With S35 sensor and somehow make it work to unify the system and “make L-mount the video mount” as they have said. Anyway...back to RF.

The R5, now with latest firmware, is almost a tolerable hybrid camera for my uses. Thank you @Andrew Reid, @horshack, @mechanicalEYE, and many others for doggedly shining the light on the cripple BS. I am convinced if the pressure was not placed on Canon we would not have any firmware improvements at all!

The release of these smaller (and more interesting imho) cinema series cameras from Canon has kinda sealed the deal for me. I could never justify spending $8-15K for a big Canon C camera body but 6K and below is more my territory. I fully appreciate more compact bodies. If Panasonic would have added PDAF to the S1H it would have been profoundly popular camera.

And with more affordable Sigma RF glass coming and the boat load of used and cheap EF glass from Canon and Sigma, it just makes more sense.

I'm waiting for the GH6 as well. I do think an L-mount GH6 would be a bad idea, they already have that with the S5, and the reason I am not interested in that is specifically because it would mean I have to get L mount lenses to have a native system.  If the GH6 has 4K 120FPS and some form of in body compressed raw options that would be good enough for me. Not having to buy new lenses or buy into a new system is the main thing I care about.

I don't think Panasonic will ever get PDAF, there's rumors Sony simply won't license it to them, how true that is I have no idea but I have to believe that if Panasonic had it available to them they would have implemented it by now. With that being said, my C200 has DPAF and I still almost always shoot with MF, I just don't trust AF for critical shots, so if the GH6 has no useable AF that's not a deal breaker for me.

The Canon C50/C70 looks pretty fascinating but I'm still at least a year away from getting over my disappointment in the R5 and R6. I already have a C200 and a GH5, I don't need another body that can't take pictures as well as video, what I need is an R6 that actually lives up to its marketing materials.

[Kisaha]

6 hours ago, herein2020 said:

I don't need another body that can't take pictures as well as video, what I need is an R6 that actually lives up to its marketing materials.

Very well said. It is interesting that after so many full frame releases, we are waiting for a m43 camera before we decide! 

R6 is still kind of tempting though.

[Trankilstef]

Link shared by Nokishita on Twitter : https://filmvideoandvirtualreality.com/major-and-it-is-major-new-canon-release/

 

[ntblowz]

31 minutes ago, Trankilstef said:

Link shared by Nokishita on Twitter : https://filmvideoandvirtualreality.com/major-and-it-is-major-new-canon-release/

 

says 404, guess they deleted it, but luckily google cache have them

EF-RF Canon speedbooster will be released at same time, C70 can do 4K120P with Audio and PDAF! 10 Stop ND filter system

 

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Canon Australia today launches the EOS C70 – a compact, versatile video camera that is the first to combine the powerful image quality of Canon’s Cinema EOS System range with the portability and flexibility of its EOS R line-up. For the first time, filmmakers using a Canon Cinema EOS System camera can enjoy the incredible possibilities of the powerful RF-Series lens range.

The EOS C70’s powerfully compact design – complete with professional interfaces and input/output terminals and ports – makes it perfectly suited for a broad range of uses including documentaries, productions of all sizes, news gathering, and events such as weddings. High production social media content has also never been easier to capture thanks to the EOS C70’s vertical shooting capability. The EOS C70’s compact size yet expansive features enable filmmakers to shoot handheld or on a drone or gimbal, giving them enhanced creative freedom. What’s more, it offers multiple recording formats to SD cards – including 4K up to 120 fps in 4:2:2 10-bit in XF-AVC (All-I or Long-GOP), and MP4 in HEVC (H.265) or H.264 – providing filmmakers with the ability to meet diverse production requirements.

Also launching today is the Canon Mount Adapter EF-EOS R 0.71x – an EF Lens to RF Mount adapter giving filmmakers the freedom to use the entire EF lens line-up1 with the EOS C70, optimising compatibility across two of Canon’s most popular lens lines. When paired with the EOS C70, the Mount Adapter EF-EOS R 0.71x employs an optical conversion to capture a Full Frame angle of view of an EF lens even when used with a Super 35mm sensor, as well as an increased light transmission of approximately 1-stop. The adapter enables full communication between three EF lenses and the camera body – EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM, and EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM- providing continued support for Canon’s extensive range of EF lenses2. Auto Focus, peripheral illumination and chromatic aberration correction, and the transfer of lens metadata are also fully supported when using the Mount Adapter EF-EOS R 0.71x3.

The Canon EF-EOS R 0.71x Mount Adapter for the EOS C70

Powerfully compact professional cinema capabilities

The EOS C70 bridges the gap between two Canon product portfolios – the Digital Interchangeable Lens camera line-up and the powerful Cinema EOS System cameras – with the short flange back design of Canon’s RF Mount making the compact design of the EOS C70 possible. While the camera is the smallest and lightest in Canon’s Cinema EOS System line-up, it’s packed with features that support a versatile range of professional video requirements. It has 13 assignable buttons, a multi-functional hand grip for ease of operability, professional input/output terminals including HDMI and 2x mini XLR terminals for audio, as well as an independent ventilation system. Furthermore, a new, thinner ND filter system gives up to 10-stops of ND filtration4, providing filmmakers with flexibility to control exposure while keeping control over the depth of field and enabling significant bokeh, even when using a high-speed lens.

Powering cinema with the consistent and stable performance of RF

Canon’s RF lens line-up is renowned for its excellent image quality and functionality. The Mount technology is engineered to provide advanced benefits for video use and is ideal for Canon’s Cinema EOS System range. Such capability gives filmmakers using the EOS C70 a comprehensive choice of high- quality lenses from the expanding RF range – including telephoto, zoom, high-quality primes, wide aperture and macro lenses. For optimal image stabilisation, the EOS C70 enables Combination IS which brings together the Optical IS in RF lenses and the Electronic IS in the camera body for outstanding stabilisation performance – even when shooting handheld. The enhanced communication capability between the lens and the camera also unlocks additional features such as the ability to display the object distance on the camera’s LCD monitor.

Impeccable 4K image quality

Taking advantage of its Super 35mm Dual Gain Output (DGO) sensor, seen in the highly acclaimed EOS C300 Mark III, the EOS C70 delivers exceptional image quality with over 16 stops of dynamic range. Much like the EOS C300 Mark III, the EOS C70 produces the same true-to-life, cinematic colours, exceptionally clean low-light image quality and superb HDR acquisition capabilities. Thanks to the DGO sensor, and powerful DIGIC DV 7 processor the EOS C70 is an ideal choice for professionals looking to produce high-quality content in 4K. It also supports slow motion capture with 4K 120p recording – with Dual Pixel CMOS AF support, as well as audio recording. For those who desire higher frame rates, 180p is also available in Super16 mode. Recording to Dual SD cards in Canon’s XF-AVC format with 4K 4:2:2 10-bit, the EOS C70 captures high resolution footage for a wide range of applications, from documentary and journalism to music videos and web-based content.

Enhanced support functions

The EOS C70 boasts a number of ‘firsts’ for the Cinema EOS System range. In addition to supporting Canon’s renowned Dual Pixel AF System, it is also the first Cinema EOS System camera to feature the revolutionary EOS iTR AF X (Intelligent Tracking and Recognition) system seen in the newly-launched

EOS R5. The system uses a face and head detection algorithm that works in conjunction with Face Detection AF to greatly improve the reliability of focusing on and tracking the subject. Likewise, the EOS C70 also introduces Auto ISO to the Cinema EOS System range for the first time.

Canon also breaks new ground with the EOS C70, as the first Cinema EOS System camera with a dedicated vertical shooting mode, designed to support the capture of content for social media and digital signage.

Simple storage and workflows

The EOS C70 features several recording options at resolutions from 4K, UHD, 2K, and Full HD. Designed for content producers who want to streamline their post-production workflows, the Dual SD card slots support high-speed UHS-II media – with a variety of configurations such as double slot, relay and simultaneous recording. For the first time in a Cinema EOS camera, it is now possible to record different formats, resolutions and bit depths on each media card slot, offering a truly flexible workflow.

Also launching today is the CJ20ex5B IASE S, a 2-in-1 UHDxs-class lens with a powerful 20x zoom range and 5mm wide-angle which expands Canon’s range of industry-leading 4K broadcast lenses for 2/3- inch sensor cameras.

EOS C70 Key Features:

 RF Mount system

The Cinema EOS C70 uses Canon’s new 4K Super 35mm DGO sensor with HDR capabilities

High frame rate 4K shooting at 120fps with audio recording and DPAF

Dual SD card slots allowing for simultaneous recording in multiple formats

Improved Dual Pixel Auto Focus with intelligent tracking and a new touch user interface

Compatible with the new Mount Adapter EF-EOS R 0.71x giving users access to the extensive range of Canon EF mount lenses

For more information about the EOS C70 and Mount Adapter EF-EOS R 0.71x, visit: https://www.canon.com.au/cameras/eos-c70

1 Full-function lenses can communicate various information with the EOS C70. The following three lenses are full supported without a firmware update: EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM, EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM. Lenses other than full-function lenses can also shoot with a brighter f-number with an equivalent angle of view as full frame. We will continue to expand the range of full-function lenses by gradually upgrading the firmware.

2 As of September 25, 2020, the following lenses are compatible: the EF16-35mm f/2.8L III USM (released in October 2016), the EF24-70mm f/2.8L II USM (released in September 2012), the EF24-105mm f/4L IS II USM (released in November 2016). Canon plans to gradually expand the list of compatible lenses by providing free- of-charge firmware updates in 2021. EF lenses are still compatible with the camera, but Canon recommends that firmware updates be installed in order to effectively utilise functions which link the camera and lens.

3 Available for full-function lenses which include the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L III USM, EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM, EF 24-105mm f/4L IS II USM Lenses. Canon plans to gradually expand the list of compatible lenses by providing free-of-charge firmware updates in 2021.

 

[ntblowz]

Can't edit but it got EIS on board!  The one on the EOS R is not too shabby, so if it is similar then it should be pretty decent (a bit more smoother than Sony's hardware IBIS)

[EphraimP]

32 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

says 404, guess they deleted it, but luckily google cache have them

EF-RF Canon speedbooster will be released at same time, C70 can do 4K120P with Audio and PDAF! 10 Stop ND filter system

 

 

Well, that's going to check a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Of course, after the R5/R6 debacle, we may want to stand back and be skeptical at first. 

Personally, for the style of shooting I'm developing, the form factor of  the new full size C-series cameras are idea, but out of my price range at the moment. That said, I know a lot of folks, especially around here, are all about that hybrid form factor. This looks like it has enough of the benefits of cine-style cameras (built-in nd, xlr, real cooling) plus goodies (high frame rates, killer autofocus and an RF lens with the bonus speed booster for EF lenses) to temp shooters like me and people who wan a 5D Mark ii on steroids. No mention of price yet, and the adapter isn't fully compatible with most lenses yet. 

No IBIS for the weebs, but it will have digital IS that works with lens stabilization.

Interesting....