BenEricson Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, SteveV4D said: Canon colour is one of those things that's said to be good so often, its accepted as fact... even though those saying it are not really scrutinising the colour in the same indepth analysis as they would use, say for example Sony colour. Maybe true, but the baked in Profiles on the Canon just look better out of the box. I believe that is fact. The skin shows less flaws and appears smoother. I agree, opinions on color grading log files creates a different argument all together. I am really wanting to see more standard Rec 709 examples. 4 hours ago, scotchtape said: The last few vids really don't look amazing, subjective I know, but the sailor one the grade made the guy look like a zombie. So much for magic color science - the magic happens in post, or the unmagic. Agreed. Personally, I think the subject looks better with a little more saturation in the skin and a bit more contrast. I am more concerned with the texture. It is just looks so sharp to a fault. Again, there could be additional sharpening, processing, etc. Who knows. I would love to see camera with some vintage glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Firm rumour now of a C200 mkii incoming! 😲 This line-up is getting extremely hot. I'm just wondering (if true) how are they going to differentiate the C300iii? Presumably the C70 will be cheaper. C200 (mk i) might become a steal soon (both new and used). https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-cinema-eos-c200-mark-ii-will-arrive-in-april-cr3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, Mmmbeats said: Firm rumour now of a C200 mkii incoming! 😲 This line-up is getting extremely hot. I'm just wondering (if true) how are they going to differentiate the C300iii? Presumably the C70 will be cheaper. C200 (mk i) might become a steal soon (both new and used). https://www.canonrumors.com/the-canon-cinema-eos-c200-mark-ii-will-arrive-in-april-cr3/ Wow. Too many cameras. I wonder if it'll be RF mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 hours ago, BenEricson said: Wow. Too many cameras. I wonder if it'll be RF mount. I imagine so. BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Be curiously odd if it is EF Mount only, if it is then I bet it will be the last one ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimP Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I thought I read that it was going to be EF. But who knows. It's definitely making me think about holding off on the C70 to see what it's like, and I was almost certain to order the C70 this month. I'm not sold on the huge mirrorless form factor, so this latest rumor has got me thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveV4D Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 If the C200 mark II has RAW and 10 bit and great AF, its my perfect camera. I was looking at a C70 and S1 for next year... but I may cancel those and plump for the C200 if the price isn't too excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 What exactly will the C200 mk2 be though? Another RAW + 8 bit camera. Such awkward segmentation. But there is really no where else to go between the C70 and the C300. BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Maybe the C200mk2 might be their lower end FF cinema camera?? Seems like one of the few niche spots left open that it could slot into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 CR3 rumors are normally spot on so it seems same as c300 iii dlo, 4k raw and 4k 10bit but no 4k 120.... question is RF or EF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, gt3rs said: CR3 rumors are normally spot on so it seems same as c300 iii dlo, 4k raw and 4k 10bit but no 4k 120.... question is RF or EF? What about an RF full frame camera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, gt3rs said: CR3 rumors are normally spot on so it seems same as c300 iii dlo, 4k raw and 4k 10bit but no 4k 120.... question is RF or EF? That would be great. I mean I love 120 but its more of a niche frame rate anyways. If its around the same as the C70 that would be a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Never liked the original one - well documented in this forum and others! C70 seems like the way forward, I just hope every new release will lower the C70 price tag, until I can reach it. Lately I do more specific TV jobs (assistant director and whatnot), I do not need more cameras, but for a thousand less, I would definitely get the C70 just to look at it late at night when I come back from the episodic TV madness! anonim and TomTheDP 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimP Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 58 minutes ago, Kisaha said: Never liked the original one - well documented in this forum and others! C70 seems like the way forward, I just hope every new release will lower the C70 price tag, until I can reach it. Lately I do more specific TV jobs (assistant director and whatnot), I do not need more cameras, but for a thousand less, I would definitely get the C70 just to look at it late at night when I come back from the episodic TV madness! Sound like you need to wait for the C50. As far as the C70 being the way forward, without a EVF, what about the dslr/mirrorless style body makes it better for you than a more traditional cine-style body? Holding the camera out in front of you with two hands, even with your elbows locked, is in my experience, a less stable shooting method than cradling the camera against your body to establish a third point of contact or shoulder mounting, both of which even a cine-style camera is more suited to. tweak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenEricson Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Picked up my C70, Canon 24-105 F4 RF, and EF adapter. Did some quick tests with a 35mm F2 IS and one practical lamp in the living room. Color looks like normal Canon color to me. I'll hopefully have time to shoot more stuff tomorrow afternoon. Initial thoughts... Camera feels pretty nice in the hands. The custom presets are really crippled. They took away BT.709 / C-LOG 2. Also, for some reason clog 2 clips at 85 IRE. There are a ton of options for removing all of the noise reduction and you can go all the way to -10 sharpening. I think lowering the in camera sharpness and pairing the camera with older lenses will help to get away from that plastic skin look. Juank, Mmmbeats and Adept 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 5 hours ago, BenEricson said: Picked up my C70, Canon 24-105 F4 RF, and EF adapter. Did some quick tests with a 35mm F2 IS and one practical lamp in the living room. Color looks like normal Canon color to me. I'll hopefully have time to shoot more stuff tomorrow afternoon. Initial thoughts... Camera feels pretty nice in the hands. The custom presets are really crippled. They took away BT.709 / C-LOG 2. Also, for some reason clog 2 clips at 85 IRE. There are a ton of options for removing all of the noise reduction and you can go all the way to -10 sharpening. I think lowering the in camera sharpness and pairing the camera with older lenses will help to get away from that plastic skin look. Some good ideas there. This person has gotten quite organic footage by piling on the filters! BenEricson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 11:17 PM, EphraimP said: Sound like you need to wait for the C50. As far as the C70 being the way forward, without a EVF, what about the dslr/mirrorless style body makes it better for you than a more traditional cine-style body? Holding the camera out in front of you with two hands, even with your elbows locked, is in my experience, a less stable shooting method than cradling the camera against your body to establish a third point of contact or shoulder mounting, both of which even a cine-style camera is more suited to. IF you need a traditional video camera then you may be looking at something else, for my perspective, C200 needed a lot more weird-tall building that was never very practical for me. Then you have the tripod shots, most of the shots I am using anyway, but if I have to save time from NOT adding the couple of things I needed on the C200, I am going to take it 100 times out of the 100! Also, I have a bigish monopod, that will fit the C70 quite nicely I believe. A lot less camera bag and weight to carry around. The "hybrid" body seems like a breakthrough, what I was expecting the Pocket4K/6K to be. Let's face it, the new generation are used to the mirrorless desing, something in between is the golden ratio for me. I can just use my original Ronin that I have for my mirrorless/dSLR (never used it, just bought it a year or so ago!) and do not need more expensive and bigger stabilizing systems. I was very pleased with the results I was getting holding the camera with my 2 arms when/if used a good I.S lens, I do not like IBIS much. Maybe it is just me. So for all these reasons, I would be very happy with this new Canon C camera. I am not sure what the C50 will be, maybe too cripled for my tasting, maybe 8 bit? the older sensor wasn't that amazing either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I thought I was quite okay with C300iii RAW, but now I can't seem to find any really nice examples of it. Seems C200 and C300ii RAW is much nicer (creamy, organic, whatever). Are there any examples of C300iii RAW films that anybody particularly likes? Thinking in reference to a possible C200ii mainly. Nautical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimP Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Kisaha said: IF you need a traditional video camera then you may be looking at something else, for my perspective, C200 needed a lot more weird-tall building that was never very practical for me. Interesting. What were you building the C200 out, er, up with that you don't think you'd need on the C70? A lot of people do rig up hybrid/dslr cameras pretty tall, which is counter intuitive for getting stable in my opinion. Wide is better than tall and long is better than either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, EphraimP said: Interesting. What were you building the C200 out, er, up with that you don't think you'd need on the C70? A lot of people do rig up hybrid/dslr cameras pretty tall, which is counter intuitive for getting stable in my opinion. Wide is better than tall and long is better than either. Well the C200 is already taller than the C70 before you add a monitor, SolidPod, etc. Kisaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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