PannySVHS Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Panny is lucky that Sony didnt give this camera a good Inter codec with 10bit for 1080 up to 60p and 4k 24,25,30p. Gerald Undones outlook makes good sense. Miniaturization is an important step in technology as it has always been. A7c represents that, A7III tech with A7SIII autofocus in an A6000 body plus swivel screen! With codec options like the S5 and without overheating this would be a mega seller. Sony will consider that, I am sure. It´s the smallest LF 4K videocamera in the world that has IBIS and an EVF. Sigma FP becomes very appealing indeed now, being the smallest LF 4K camera with a great image. markr041 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Here in NZ A7C is like $200 more expensive than S5, and you get free Sigma lens with S5 which sweeten the deal even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agoldstraw Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Is it just me, or is the notion that would-be vloggers need a full frame sensor camera batshit crazy? There is a pernicious trend being driven along by an unholy alliance of 'influencers' and manufacturers. The result is that there are scores of people out there who THINK they need FF but don't really know why, nor do they understand the advantages and disadvantages of such systems. The irony is that this mass hysteria is threatening the existence of the crop sensor systems which would probably be a much better fit for most of these people. ade towell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trankilstef Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleBobsPhotography said: I've used the RX1RII a lot, and this seems like a decent alternative. I would still prefer the RX1RII over this for light weight photography, but at least it has a lot of quality of life improvements such as MUCH better battery life, IBIS and 4k. Had the RX1 RII and yes it is much more exciting than this one (for photography, as it's another kind of camera). I really don't get how could we get excited by this Sony A7c at this price point. Cause to me the real problem is the price. If it were sold at 1500$ max that would be ok. But not at this insane price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Don't think this will sell well, terrible video specs for the price, bad viewfinder, and not in any way better than the A7III for photographers. zerocool22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpc Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, Geoff CB said: Don't think this will sell well, terrible video specs for the price, bad viewfinder, and not in any way better than the A7III for photographers. Smaller VF magnification can be a positive for spectacles wearers as you don't have to move your eye around the image. I've dumped otherwise great cameras before because of their excessive VF magnification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 9:03 AM, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said: Just wait some photo reviewers saying that it looks like a Mamiya 7... Aaaaaand...my suspect delivered it in the first line of the review! 🤣 https://www.thephoblographer.com/2020/09/15/using-the-sony-a7c-with-leica-m-mount-lenses-is-an-overdue-dream/ "Pick it up, and the Sony a7c will trigger a feeling. It’s bound to feel like a Mamiya 6 or Mamiya 7 rangefinder camera. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 15, 2020 Administrators Share Posted September 15, 2020 More bollocks here at Imaging Resource... "World's smallest and lightest full frame camera". No that would be the Sigma Fp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 15, 2020 Administrators Share Posted September 15, 2020 From the third department of PR at Sony... Sorry, I mean DPReview: "The Bionz X processor is also borrowed from the a7 III, which unfortunately means that all of the fancy new menus and touch functionality from the a7S III and its updated processor aren't included here." LOL!! "In the hand, the a7C feels incredibly solid, thanks to what's called a magnesium alloy monocoque construction. It's sort of like what US auto manufacturers call 'unibody' construction, and the result is a camera that's free of creaks and flex and exudes a sense of quality." Exudes quality!! Finally a $2K camera that is free of creaking noises and doesn't bend. Had been waiting for this moment for years. Trankilstef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 From the initial rounds of "reviews", the bullet points are (as an hybrid camera): - Pro: AF system is better than the A7III (all tracking modes available in video, newer algorithms), new shutter unit (kind of slow one, but electomagnetic - love the one on my GX9), flippy screen (for those who like it), better ev rating for AF (-4 ev), video af transition velocity and sensibility configurable, unlimited record time, weight, better peaking. - Cons: no f*cking front dial, terrible EVF, some reports that IBIS is worse than A7III (new compact IBIS unit), no joystick, no 10-bit at all (even external), same low res back LCD, same old shitty menu, smaller grip (same as the A6xxxx), single card slot, much fewer custom buttons. No interest for me, but for the targeted audience (non pro vloggers), could work. It is very light, have the best AF implementation, some IBIS, could go very wide with the right lens. and it is the kind of people that don't are too much into heavy grading (if any grading at all). When it fell into the $1300-1400 mark (probably in 6 months) could be interesting - but never for pro work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted September 15, 2020 Super Members Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: More bollocks here at Imaging Resource... "World's smallest and lightest full frame camera". No that would be the Sigma Fp! The same nonsense is being repeated by other sites as well. How can the 124 x 71 x 60 mm dimensions of the Sony a7C make it smaller than the 112.6 x 69.9 x 45.3 mm dimensions of the Sigma fp. At best its just absolute laziness but really shows again how rife the plagiarism and unchecked content aggregation really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, BTM_Pix said: The same nonsense is being repeated by other sites as well. How can the 124 x 71 x 60 mm dimensions of the Sony a7C make it smaller than the 112.6 x 69.9 x 45.3 mm dimensions of the Sigma fp. Sony has tiny writing where it says "with a zoom lens attached". Could as well have written "worlds smallest interchangeable full frame camera with an orange lens mount". BTM_Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, UncleBobsPhotography said: worlds smallest interchangeable full frame camera Or just inserted the word SONY before camera. Or perhaps it’s a deliberate snub in regard to the FP because it doesn’t have a mechanical shutter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 15, 2020 Administrators Share Posted September 15, 2020 So this comes from Sony itself? It's basically an outright lie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexO Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Does a7c still have 1.2X crop in 4K mode at 30fps compared to a7iii? Can't find it anywhere in the specs, not sure if they managed to do full sensor or just decided not to mention it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted September 15, 2020 Administrators Share Posted September 15, 2020 On the UK Sony site the small print is: "The α7C is the smallest and lightest full-frame digital interchangeable-lens camera with optical in-body image stabilisation" A weird confusion going on in the heads of marketing people there of optical IS and mechanical IBIS. noone, ntblowz and Juank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted September 15, 2020 Super Members Share Posted September 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said: On the UK Sony site the small print is: "The α7C is the smallest and lightest full-frame digital interchangeable-lens camera with optical in-body image stabilisation" A weird confusion going on in the heads of marketing people there of optical IS and mechanical IBIS. Ah thats OK because, to use the current favoured terminology of our glorious leaders, they were only bullshitting in a 'very limited and specific way' then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Geoff CB said: Don't think this will sell well, terrible video specs for the price, bad viewfinder, and not in any way better than the A7III for photographers. Yeah its kinda cute though 😄 But yeah I dont see the point of this camera. If it had better specs then the A7III then it would be another story. Looks like A7IV will be quite some time away. Too bad as it would be kinda great to compare to the S5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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