Geoff CB Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 2:20 PM, currensheldon said: Has there been any mention of EVA-2? What is Panasonic doing? Where is their L-Mount, full-frame, highly-specced video camera to compete C300 III, FX9, FX6, C70, and Komodo? Just put the S1H sensor in an EVA-1 like body (hopefully a bit smaller), add in 120fps in 4k, ProRes Raw over HDMI/SDI, and get on with it. Yeah this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 They just released the BGH1, isn't that enough?! currensheldon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff CB Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 42 minutes ago, Kisaha said: They just released the BGH1, isn't that enough?! Um, no? It's a M43 mount camera with No ND, No XLR, and no monitor. Slightly different category than a EVA-1 follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Geoff CB said: Um, no? It's a M43 mount camera with No ND, No XLR, and no monitor. Slightly different category than a EVA-1 follow up. Obviously was a joke! 🙂 and a dissapointment 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share Posted October 19, 2020 Wonder if the EVA-2 with L-Mount will have similar specs to this (probably impossible until 2022) S1H upgrade: https://www.panasonicff.com/rumors-panasonic-lumix-s1v-l-mount-cinema-camera-coming/ I personally would rather have great 4k (codec options, frame rates, raw, low light, etc) than 6k or 8k. These specs below would be excellent. SPECS: Panasonic VARICAM Look 11.8MP Full Frame CMOS Sensor Dual native ISO WDR OFPD Enhanced DFD Autofocus 4K @ 96p 3:2 OpenGate 4K @ 120p DCI 4K 4K @ 160p 2.39:1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 12 hours ago, currensheldon said: Wonder if the EVA-2 with L-Mount will have similar specs to this (probably impossible until 2022) S1H upgrade: https://www.panasonicff.com/rumors-panasonic-lumix-s1v-l-mount-cinema-camera-coming/ I personally would rather have great 4k (codec options, frame rates, raw, low light, etc) than 6k or 8k. These specs below would be excellent. SPECS: Panasonic VARICAM Look 11.8MP Full Frame CMOS Sensor Dual native ISO WDR OFPD Enhanced DFD Autofocus 4K @ 96p 3:2 OpenGate 4K @ 120p DCI 4K 4K @ 160p 2.39:1 Only 4k ... they go nowhere ... out that it is already old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Looks like the S1V will have the A7S3 sensor. I hope Z-cam does a full frame camera with that sensor as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 hours ago, TomTheDP said: Looks like the S1V will have the A7S3 sensor. I hope Z-cam does a full frame camera with that sensor as well. They are making another mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 16 hours ago, maxmizer said: They are making another mistake! I personally love the sensor. Its got higher frame rate capabilities than the A73 type sensor that every full frame is using now. For photographers its kind of a bummer but the S1V will be video oriented anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/22/2020 at 11:53 PM, TomTheDP said: I personally love the sensor. Its got higher frame rate capabilities than the A73 type sensor that every full frame is using now. For photographers its kind of a bummer but the S1V will be video oriented anyways. Yes I agree, but they already have S1H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 7:19 PM, maxmizer said: Yes I agree, but they already have S1H But it is time for a S1Hmk2/S1V! Geoff CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/24/2020 at 2:19 AM, maxmizer said: Yes I agree, but they already have S1H The S1H specs are already outdated. They shouldn't have rushed the S1H out IMHO. Its the same sensor as the S1. They should have just gave higher specs to the S1 and waited. The S1H is too heavy for the specs it has. 420 H265 4k 60p cropped and 120 hd. The Fuji has that at 1/4th the price and half the weight. Plus its 420 not 422. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elgabogomez Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 How is the s1h outdated?? Last I looked, movies were shot at 24fps, tv at 25 or 30 depending on region, and in most cases still delivered interlaced. If theater quality still means something, it’s still finished as 2k. If on Netflix, Amazon or similar, I’ll concede the bump to 4k is a “given” but it’s still 24p, 25 or 30. How any of that is outdating the s1h? IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, elgabogomez said: How is the s1h outdated?? Last I looked, movies were shot at 24fps, tv at 25 or 30 depending on region, and in most cases still delivered interlaced. If theater quality still means something, it’s still finished as 2k. If on Netflix, Amazon or similar, I’ll concede the bump to 4k is a “given” but it’s still 24p, 25 or 30. How any of that is outdating the s1h? Because the A7s3 does 5x the frame rate. They are now going to release an S1V probably at the same price point as the S1H. I mean at this point Panasonic is just riding Sony’s coat tails as they get all their sensors from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 hours ago, TomTheDP said: Because the A7s3 does 5x the frame rate. They are now going to release an S1V probably at the same price point as the S1H. I mean at this point Panasonic is just riding Sony’s coat tails as they get all their sensors from them. 4K high framerates and auto-focus aside, the S1H objectively delivers a better image on the whole. A7SIII still suffers from substandard color fidelity and baked in noise reduction that wrecks detail. The way i look at it is that the S1H excels at the minimum specs that i consider essential, while the A7SIII excels at some specialty operations, but doesn't meet important specs I consider essential. I was hopeful that the A7SIII would surpass the S1H but there are base operations that have to be met before I can get excited about 4k 120p (which is overkill for most situations, anyway. I find b-roll captured at 48-72fps more useful in the edit). I usually have to speed up 120fps for pacing. IronFilm, currensheldon and ade towell 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmizer Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 20 hours ago, IronFilm said: But it is time for a S1Hmk2/S1V! I don't know, it seems too soon ... At least that ... they don't build something with S35 sensor, at least 8k, formfactor type bgh1 ... then they would have diversified the product and would bring themselves back in line with their competitors. Price above 5k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Zak Forsman said: 4K high framerates and auto-focus aside, the S1H objectively delivers a better image on the whole. A7SIII still suffers from substandard color fidelity and baked in noise reduction that wrecks detail. The way i look at it is that the S1H excels at the minimum specs that i consider essential, while the A7SIII excels at some specialty operations, but doesn't meet important specs I consider essential. I was hopeful that the A7SIII would surpass the S1H but there are base operations that have to be met before I can get excited about 4k 120p (which is overkill for most situations, anyway. I find b-roll captured at 48-72fps more useful in the edit). I usually have to speed up 120fps for pacing. I'd agree. Color is defiantly better than Sony however after using Z-cam I find the Panny colors a bit subpar as well. I know the S1/S1H sensor is capable of 4K 60p 422 as well as 4k 120p. Z-cam is doing it. The S1H body is plenty big with fans, so I wouldn't think cooling would be the issue. Of course they are still great cameras I just don't understand the limitations. Zak Forsman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Forsman Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 8:14 AM, TomTheDP said: I'd agree. Color is defiantly better than Sony however after using Z-cam I find the Panny colors a bit subpar as well. I know the S1/S1H sensor is capable of 4K 60p 422 as well as 4k 120p. Z-cam is doing it. The S1H body is plenty big with fans, so I wouldn't think cooling would be the issue. Of course they are still great cameras I just don't understand the limitations. haha! yeah, I love my Z-Cam F6. it's amazing in so many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just adding 120fps in 4k on the S1H would put it right back at the top of the heap specs-wise. It would have 6k ProRes Raw over the A7sIII and tons more usability over it and the R5 (with better XLR adapter than Sony, timecode, zero overheating, etc). Plus, 6k ProRes Raw is wayyyyyyyy easier to work with than the R5's 8k raw and the IQ difference is probably negligible. No real need for Panasonic to put out another mirrorless body - something like the C70, with internal NDs, more cinema style body, integrated XLRs, etc on the other hand would be AWESOME. The S1H specs (full frame, 6k, dual ISO, IBIS, timecode) with the C70-like cine style layout + internal raw and 120fps would be amazing. Again, probably more likely in an EVA-2 (minus the IBIS) and will be bigger than C70, but would still be great to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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