Fuji X-S10

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

19 hours ago, Kisaha said:

https://www.lenstip.com/571.11-Lens_review-Fujifilm_Fujinon_XF_16-80_mm_f_4_R_OIS_WR_Summary.html

This one?

I usually trust his reviews.

Yep. But already got the 18-55 f/2.8-4 with the XT-20, then the zoom question is settled. Great little lens, must say. 

Liking the Fuji experience, until now.

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

Just an update, got my X-S10 this week. Not too much time to play with it, only some stills - but liking it a lot.

Lens collection grew up too: 18-55f/2.8-4, "Fujicrons" 35mm and 50mm f/2, the 55-200mm f/3.5-4.8 and a Viltrox 85mm f/1.8. Need just a Rokinon 12mm f/2 to complete my equivalent set on m4/3. 

Camera is VERY small (looks like a point&shoot), but the grip is huge and very comfortable.

[IronFilm]

@Marcio Kabke Pinheiro, after a few years of using the Fujifim X-S10, what are your thoughts on it now?

Am surprised at how well the X-S10 is holding up with its price on eBay vs original RRP. In comparison a similar vintage and similar priced camera at release such as the Nikon Z50  mk1 goes for half as much!

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

16 hours ago, IronFilm said:

@Marcio Kabke Pinheiro, after a few years of using the Fujifim X-S10, what are your thoughts on it now?

Am surprised at how well the X-S10 is holding up with its price on eBay vs original RRP. In comparison a similar vintage and similar priced camera at release such as the Nikon Z50  mk1 goes for half as much!

Changed it for the X-S20. Good camera, but the X-S20 is much better.

Biggest difference: battery life. With the small battery, sometimes I took 30 stills and 20 mins of 4k and the battery is gone.

AF is better in the S20, specially with face tracking - the S10 have a strange system that selects the face nearer the focal point, and draws gray boxes in other faces, then you could switch faces with the back joystick. All ok, but after some seconds of recording, it changes to the central face again, and you have to start a game of face selection - whane I had it only used face tracking with one person in the frame. The S20 select the face nearer the focal point, always - and with a firmware update it got touch and track in video (he S10 have it only for stills), and I use it for multiface shots.

10-bit video in the S20 finally makes F-Log usable (the S10 is a 8-bit camera). And the S-20 have 6k open gate, which I use a lot for better 2160p reframing in post.

For some uses, like single person stills portraits or slow paced stills, the X-S10 is almost the same as the S20. But in most scenarios, and specially in video, the S20 is much better. In fact, with a bit better AF, a LUTs system like Panasonic, and a rangefinder look (that I look because attracts less attention), the S20 would be a perfect camera for an amateur like me.
 

[IronFilm]

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Changed it for the X-S20. Good camera, but the X-S20 is much better.

But it's the latest model and thus so pricey 😢 😭

That's the thing about Fujifilm, I've been enjoying shooting more lately with my X-A3 which I got dirt cheap before the hype hit. And I'm being badly tempted now to upgrade to a somewhat more modern body with better AF for stills. 

However "modern" (but still a few years old) Fujifilm bodies really haven't depreciated hard yet like say the Panasonic S5mk1 or Nikon Z50mk1 or Panasonic G9mk1 or Nikon D750 / D500 / D810 or Sony a6500 etc 

Heck I could get the Nikon Zfc and with the very expensive Fujifilm X Mount to Nikon Z Mount autofocus adapter for the same price as a secondhand Fujifilm X-S10

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Biggest difference: battery life. With the small battery, sometimes I took 30 stills and 20 mins of 4k and the battery is gone.

Yikes! But I guess that's mostly due to the 4K video. 

If I'm only doing stills then the X-S10 should still be a great performer with it's battery. 

For my X-A3 I find so long as I've charged it up before leaving home, then I've got nothing to worry about. 

 

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

AF is better in the S20, specially with face tracking - the S10 have a strange system that selects the face nearer the focal point, and draws gray boxes in other faces, then you could switch faces with the back joystick. All ok, but after some seconds of recording, it changes to the central face again, and you have to start a game of face selection - whane I had it only used face tracking with one person in the frame. The S20 select the face nearer the focal point, always - and with a firmware update it got touch and track in video (the S10 have it only for stills), and I use it for multiface shots.

10-bit video in the S20 finally makes F-Log usable (the S10 is a 8-bit camera). And the S-20 have 6k open gate, which I use a lot for better 2160p reframing in post.

At least the X-S10 does 10bit external.

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

For some uses, like single person stills portraits or slow paced stills, the X-S10 is almost the same as the S20.

That's good to hear, for me. 

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

But in most scenarios, and specially in video, the S20 is much better.

Definitely, the X-S20 is crushing the X-S10 for video, but ehhh... while it's tempting, I think I can talk myself out of that. Because I'm Production Sound Mixer. Thus I don't really need the extras that the X-S20 is offering over the X-S10??

Once cameras got to GH4/GH5 level of video quality, then a person doesn't really need anything more when it comes to video quality if it's for personal unpaid stuff or occasional ultra-low-budget paid work. And if more is needed? I can just use my Sony FS7, or borrow a friend's RED / Blackmagic / whatever. 

4 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

In fact, with a bit better AF, a LUTs system like Panasonic, and a rangefinder look (that I like because attracts less attention), the S20 would be a perfect camera for an amateur like me.

Maybe the Fujifilm X-M5 "rangefinder" body? 

That's the other thing that's bugging me, the Fujifilm X-S10 is still so highly priced on eBay that it's cheaper to just get a brand new X-M5!!

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

13 hours ago, IronFilm said:

But it's the latest model and thus so pricey 😢 😭

That's the thing about Fujifilm, I've been enjoying shooting more lately with my X-A3 which I got dirt cheap before the hype hit. And I'm being badly tempted now to upgrade to a somewhat more modern body with better AF for stills. 

However "modern" (but still a few years old) Fujifilm bodies really haven't depreciated hard yet like say the Panasonic S5mk1 or Nikon Z50mk1 or Panasonic G9mk1 or Nikon D750 / D500 / D810 or Sony a6500 etc 

Heck I could get the Nikon Zfc and with the very expensive Fujifilm X Mount to Nikon Z Mount autofocus adapter for the same price as a secondhand Fujifilm X-S10

Yikes! But I guess that's mostly due to the 4K video. 

If I'm only doing stills then the X-S10 should still be a great performer with it's battery. 

For my X-A3 I find so long as I've charged it up before leaving home, then I've got nothing to worry about. 

 

At least the X-S10 does 10bit external.

That's good to hear, for me. 

Definitely, the X-S20 is crushing the X-S10 for video, but ehhh... while it's tempting, I think I can talk myself out of that. Because I'm Production Sound Mixer. Thus I don't really need the extras that the X-S20 is offering over the X-S10??

Once cameras got to GH4/GH5 level of video quality, then a person doesn't really need anything more when it comes to video quality if it's for personal unpaid stuff or occasional ultra-low-budget paid work. And if more is needed? I can just use my Sony FS7, or borrow a friend's RED / Blackmagic / whatever. 

Maybe the Fujifilm X-M5 "rangefinder" body? 

That's the other thing that's bugging me, the Fujifilm X-S10 is still so highly priced on eBay that it's cheaper to just get a brand new X-M5!!

If you want it for stills and you think that the X-A3 af is not so bad, yes, the S10 is a great option, miles better.

But if IBIS is not a necessity for stills, I would take a look in the X-E4 or X-T30 (both the I and II). In fact, I had a X-T20 for some time and was a good camera.

[IronFilm]

9 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

If you want it for stills and you think that the X-A3 af is not so bad

nah the X-A3 autofucs for stills is awful if there is any motion in the scene, it's the #1 reason I wish to upgrade. If I could simply half the rate it misses shots at , then I possibly wouldn't even wish to upgrade. I could "live with" all the other imperfections. As it's 24megapixel sensor is "good enough" for me. 

9 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

But if IBIS is not a necessity for stills, I would take a look in the X-E4 or X-T30 (both the I and II). In fact, I had a X-T20 for some time and was a good camera.

But IBIS will allow me to use a slower shutter speed? Thus more light, thus a better image in low light conditions?