Fuji GFX 100 loses to Huawei P40 Pro Plus smartphone for dynamic range

[Matias Mayolo]

On 11/5/2020 at 10:07 PM, Andrew Reid said:

Yes of course it's multiple frames at different exposes fused together. Tap the shutter button and it's done for you, by a neural network no-less, with AI. And certainly more than just 3 frames fused together, due to the speed of the sensor.

The GFX 100 burst isn't fast enough for this to work.

It does show that small, fast smartphone sensors can overcome shortcomings like dynamic range, with computational photography.

They have never been able to beat a medium format camera, massive 44x33mm sensor with 100 megapixel before.

The Huawei is the first to do this.

Had you used DR400 for 2 stops extra of dynamic range? 

I think the DR200 and DR400 are one of the gems of Fuji that almost nobody is talking about. It works in a similar way to DRO on Sony or HTP in Canon, it uses a lower ISO and it increases the shadows electronically (so it does add noise to the shadows) but I think that the processing done by Fuji is pretty good and in daylight and lower ISOs, 640 for DR400 you can get an image with the exact same dynamic range as F-log without using a log profile. And the extra noise in the shadows is pretty much the same noise that you'll get with F-log or HLG. At higher isos the image become too noisy but keeping it low, it's beautiful.

The tonal mapping done by Fuji in DR200 (1 stop extra) and DR400 (2 stops extra) gives you a very organic looking high dynamic range image. And the MOST IMPORTANT PART is that it works with VIDEO. The X-T3, X-T30, X-T4 have it, i guess the GFX 100 must have it. It's not the exact same as exposure bracketing, but using ETERNA profile, shadows -2, highlights -2, DR400 you can get a pretty amazing dynamic range.

Unless necessary, of if someone asks for it for color grading, for a lot of works, I pretty much don't shoot log since using the DR modes.

It would probably still not match the Huawei but you'll get 2 extra stops if dynamic range!

 

This is a feature that I never see people talking about Fuji for video. Here are some stills from video.

[jack jin]

Computational photography is the future, no matter the sensor size. But one thing smartphones are still struggling to do is to deliver a natural looking image. Skintone look plasticy under certain lighting situations, and the aggressive denoising and sharpening isn't helping thing either. The alexa managed to do dual iso 10 years ago, while delivering the most organic digital image ever created. So when smartphone's are able to deliver that level of natural looking photos and video. I think then it's time for computational photography to be widely adopted across all platforms.

[RogerRabbit]

Not sure if the GFX 100 has it but the X-T4 has a HDR mode which basically does what phones do in merging different exposures together with a single shutter press. It's super handy and gives superb results. Also gives more dynamic range than my Samsung S10

[Marcio Kabke Pinheiro]

16 hours ago, Matias Mayolo said:

Had you used DR400 for 2 stops extra of dynamic range? 

I think the DR200 and DR400 are one of the gems of Fuji that almost nobody is talking about. It works in a similar way to DRO on Sony or HTP in Canon, it uses a lower ISO and it increases the shadows electronically (so it does add noise to the shadows) but I think that the processing done by Fuji is pretty good and in daylight and lower ISOs, 640 for DR400 you can get an image with the exact same dynamic range as F-log without using a log profile. And the extra noise in the shadows is pretty much the same noise that you'll get with F-log or HLG. At higher isos the image become too noisy but keeping it low, it's beautiful.

The tonal mapping done by Fuji in DR200 (1 stop extra) and DR400 (2 stops extra) gives you a very organic looking high dynamic range image. And the MOST IMPORTANT PART is that it works with VIDEO. The X-T3, X-T30, X-T4 have it, i guess the GFX 100 must have it. It's not the exact same as exposure bracketing, but using ETERNA profile, shadows -2, highlights -2, DR400 you can get a pretty amazing dynamic range.

Unless necessary, of if someone asks for it for color grading, for a lot of works, I pretty much don't shoot log since using the DR modes.

It would probably still not match the Huawei but you'll get 2 extra stops if dynamic range!

 

This is a feature that I never see people talking about Fuji for video. Here are some stills from video.

Fuji's DR modes, even for stills, are probably the most confused / undocumented feature of their cameras. Never read a really good explanation on how it really works and the best methods to use it.

[Matias Mayolo]

7 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Fuji's DR modes, even for stills, are probably the most confused / undocumented feature of their cameras. Never read a really good explanation on how it really works and the best methods to use it.

 

According to FUJI: "On FUJIFILM cameras, Dynamic Range works by first deliberately underexposing the image to protect highlight detail, then boosting shadow brightness when the sensor data is converted in a JPEG file by the image processor"

Pretty much all the brands offer a function like this, but in fuji it works way better. And it works very good in video. In photo mode, it DIRECTLY affects the raw files

I've found out testing that at the lower isos, 320 at DR200 and 640 at DR400 the amount of noise that this modes add, in a daylight scenario, is pretty negligible, but the detail you recover in the highlights is very noticeable. So I change it depending on the DR of the scene. If I just need a little bit of DR I use DR200, if I need more I use DR400, but if I don't need any, I just leave it at DR100 (Which is the base) to get the cleanest image possible. But when shooting at high ISOs in dark conditions (above 1600), both modes, specially DR400 add too much noise, purple noise and some weird artifacts start to show up, the image becomes pretty ugly, so I don't recommend at all leaving it always turned on. Use it ONLY when you need it. It does not change the shadows, mids, colors, or anything, so you can use totally match DR100, D200 and DR400 in a scene

[jzagaja]

Can you post or link wide dynamic range movie capture from P40pro?

[jzagaja]

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