Administrators Andrew Reid Posted November 10, 2020 Administrators Share Posted November 10, 2020 New blog post: https://www.eoshd.com/apple/apple-m1-promises-full-quality-8k-prores-playback-in-davinci-resolve-17-without-dropping-a-single-frame/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodlum Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 What is also amazing is that they removed the fan from the Macbook Air. So a completely passive/silent solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Waiting for reviews before I buy the m1 mbp, I mostly certain I will need fan for prolonged editing session. Time to retire my pc laptop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 So all three Macs share the same M1 chip...wouldn't they all perform roughly the same? Also, sad to see the Mac Mini top out at only 16GB of ram and drop the 10-bit gigabit ethernet. maxmizer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, independent said: So all three Macs share the same M1 chip...wouldn't they all perform roughly the same? Also, sad to see the Mac Mini top out at only 16GB of ram and drop the 10-bit gigabit ethernet. The current M1 only top 16gb ram, I think there there will be M1X with more core and expandable Ram slot for 16inch Mbp/mac pro/imac pro Video Hummus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I was not considering a Mac before but I am considering now. Its all about the performance in Resolve for me. I am waiting for the real benchmarks. Wonder how H265 4k clips will perform. Video Hummus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Plagaro Mussard Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Amazeballs said: Wonder how H265 4k clips will perform. If it handles h265 OK it will sell like hot cakes. Am I the only one who thinks the Mac Mini, the Macbook Air and the Macbook Pro are going to perform nearly the same?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said: If it handles h265 OK it will sell like hot cakes. Am I the only one who thinks the Mac Mini, the Macbook Air and the Macbook Pro are going to perform nearly the same?? The Air probably will throttle a lot more because of cooling. In fact, cooling are a problem for a lot of Mac laptops lately... Promising news, but I really would wait for some REAL world tests - as in cameras, first will be the paid reviews... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleBobsPhotography Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I am very positive towards ARM CPUs. My biggest question mark is whether they are able to get graphic solutions that compete with nVidia. ARM's earlier graphic solutions have been power-efficient, but not really comparable with the Geforce series. I hope the new relationship between nVidia and ARM means they will end up with nVidia GPUs as well. I have only had bad experiences with Radeon/AMD gpus. maxmizer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I, like you, am very excited about the prospects of this M1 family of chips. If this is the first version I can't wait to see what we'll see down the line a couple of years down the line. As for Hackintosh, there's some hope on one side of the fence as I have the gut feeling that this will push the non-Apple PC industry to adopt ARM in the form of Windows for ARM (Linux is already there but most enthusiasts still use x86 hardware). And yes, I know Microsoft already tried to come up with a Windows version for ARM tablets (it failed miserably) but my guess is that Apple will now push Microsoft to transition the full-blown Windows to ARM eventually. When that happens the Hackintosh world would have some hope. However, on the other side of the fence, I doubt this will help the Hackintosh community as now that Apple controls its own environment fully it is highly unlikely that it will continue integrating functionality on its M-series chips that will simply not be available on generic ARM chips down the road. So for most purposes this is truly the end for the Hackintosh community. However, from another point of view there are some good news here: The new Mac mini at just US$699 with the M1 chip will probably get you more performance than what you could get from a generic PC box at the same price, so in the end you might end up with a more performant system at a lower price than by trying to build it yourself. This is, of course, assuming that Apple will not try to increase the entry-level point to its system. And one more thing: If you think about it, the M-series and the A-series will very likely be (most likely already are) binary-compatible, so one thing the Hackintosh community could turn its attention to is on hacking low-cost iPads to turn them into Hackintoch running macOS. Just sayin'... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If its based on the ARM design (most likely the Cortex X1, with another lower re-deisgned core), theoretically Snapdragon and Exynos should be able to pull off high end laptop processors too (if they can record 8k, in compressed H.264/H.265) on smartphones, their processors already seem capable enough). Nice that processors are getting smaller and a lot kroe efficient. Also, the monopoly of over pricing processors is wearing off. Hopefully Snapdragon and Exynos join the race, sooner than later. Xavier Plagaro Mussard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 13 hours ago, independent said: So all three Macs share the same M1 chip...wouldn't they all perform roughly the same? Also, sad to see the Mac Mini top out at only 16GB of ram and drop the 10-bit gigabit ethernet. Actually (a microprocessor engineer talking here), not really. Let me explain briefly... The fact that all 3 machines use the same chip does not mean that they will perform the same, as Apple is probably targeting different performance characteristics and scenarios for each one. Note that Apple in the new system specs does not mention anything about how fast these chips run on each machine (i.e., "1.8Ghz", "3.1 Ghz", etc), which should provide a clue that these systems use either a dynamic frequency or a couple of pre-set frequencies to run at, depending on the machine and the workload. On the MacBook Air for example, most likely you will be running most of the time on the high-efficiency cores, and use the high-performance cores only casually, but once it gets too hot the system will probably return to the less-performant higher-energy-efficiency cores (while continue doing work on the MacBook Pro due to the built-in fans). Another thing Apple could do on the Pro is allow all 8 cores at once, while on the Air allow only 4 at a time depending on usage (again, restricted by thermal characteristics). Botton line: For short runs all these machines would probably offer similar performance characteristics, but as you get into more compute-intensive runs you'd probably notice the Pro machines pulling ahead in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 What I want from next year's "M2" machines: 1. FaceID. This would be even more useful on a Laptop that on a phone or tablet, and would save us tons of time everyday. This is a no-brainer to add and I'm sure support is already there on the M1 chips (as it has all the A-series circuits also). I'm also pretty sure that we will see this sooner rather than later. 2. More RAM. A significant segment of the Pro market needs at least 32GB of RAM, specially if they will be editing 8k files... 3. Apple please just go ahead and merge macOS and iOS/iPadOS into "appleOS" so we could run the same apps on iPads as well (and heck, even iPhones with external keyboard, mouse and display). They are already capable of doing so, and it'd be great to be able to do some tasks on these devices (maybe with the help of an external keyboard and mouse). This would be useful for a wide industry range (I'd use my iPad Pro in a blink to do programming jobs on Visual Studio Code for example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 This is exciting for creators. I’ve been waiting for awhile for a more affordable Mac that can edit more smoothly the 4:2:2 H.264 and especially HEVC. If the 13” MacBook Pro can edit R5 footage wether it be 10-bit 4:2:2 HEVC, 12-bit RAW, or 12-bit Canon RAW Light...I’m going to pull the trigger. 95% of the heavy lifting I do on my Mac is video editing, transcoding, encoding for final delivery. Since this all seems to be natively hardware accelerated with M1, at least in Resolve and FCPX, then I can’t see why I wouldn’t buy it. $1400 for a laptop that can edit 8K RAW on the go. Hopefully we see some exciting things to come for FCPX and Resolve with the neural engine. Like 5 sec warp stabilizer runs on 30 second clips or near instant tracking results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Toobad its macbook, hopefully a pc alternative soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Toobad its macbook, hopefully a pc alternative soon. I would doubt about anything soon. We still cannot get proper AMD CPU based notebooks. Apple had this in development for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Amazeballs said: I would doubt about anything soon. We still cannot get proper AMD CPU based notebooks. Apple had this in development for a long time. What about desktops though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazeballs Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: What about desktops though. Why would need anything ARM based there? Its notebooks where ARM shines in terms of power per watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, Amazeballs said: Why would need anything ARM based there? Its notebooks where ARM shines in terms of power per watt. Yes sorry, comment was aimed at editing h265 cheaply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, zerocool22 said: Yes sorry, comment was aimed at editing h265 cheaply. All of that is up to AMD and NVidia. So far they haven’t put in proper H.265 hardware acceleration for 10, 12, or 14 bit 4:2:2 at all. It is the reason we see H.264/5 4:2:0 flavors in S1H and Fuji cameras. Why Canon didn’t offer a 10-bit 4:2:0 option in the R5 is crazy. Sony did it with the A7SIII. It was just another “roadblock” put into that product along with the insane bitrates and massive file sizes. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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