Canon set to announce 4K 120fps RAW C500 and Cinema 1D 4K DSLR - specs and price revealed

[Andrew Reid]

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Canon are due to issue a press release ahead of NAB. What my source says about the new cameras is pretty extraordinary even in light of what Sony are doing with the FS700.

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[FilmMan]

I wonder when the release date for purchase will be???

[meltycat]

The "Cinema 1D"?

..so where is the Cinema 5D?

[bwhitz]

At $10k... a 4k DSLR is still really stupid and insulting. Not as stupid and insulting as the C300... but still really really infuriating.

[retrospective]

Seriously $10K for the 4K DSLR? It's still primarily a DSLR...otherwise they would have given it a video cam form factor. I am still confused about Canon's plan for the 4K DSLR.

[ignatius]

Elitist f**cunts. No offense, but $15,000 for a lens on a $10,000 body? Who has that sort of money in austerity Britain!? Yeah, I know...the rich

What's funny is all the "it's the film maker, not the camera" stuff. It is true, but it becomes increasingly hard to invoke that sentiment. I'm excited about the technological 'great leap forward', but only from a nerdy perspective. I'm more likely to snatch a pair of angel wings than own such a beast...

[bwhitz]

If the 4k DSLR comes out, is actually $10k, and still uses a DigicV processor like the 5D3... then Canon deserves to really get blasted on the net. I hope they don't think they could get away with something like that.

[FilmMan]

If the list is $10K then it could be priced $7K to $8K???  Depends what goodies it has too.  If Canon delays on the release, Sony FS700 could capture a huge portion of the market.  This is going to get fun folks.

[meltycat]

someone release something revolutionary in the $2,000-$3,000 range please.  if all of NAB's big announcements just end up being $10,000+ cameras that require $5,000+ external recorders to reach their full potential.. well hell, none of that is very revolutionary, because by then you're up to the price of a scarlet and that revolution has already happened.

[christianhubbard]

but where is my EVIL camera?!  :'(

[Per Lichtman]

I think that people had some rather unrealistic expectations for this launch.

Canon's flagship DSLR, the EOS-1D X(with HD rather than 4K video) is set around $6,800 body only. To think that they would cannibalize its sales with a 4K camera at lower price point before the 1D X has even been made widely available seems a little odd.

The fact of the matter is that what has been leaked about the Canon announcement is very much in line what most of us expected from the even where they launched the C300.

Prices have come down a lot. To see competition in the 4K and slow-mo capable full-HD and up arena is very good for the industry in general. There has not been that much competition in that arena in the higher priced tiers to date.

So why did people expect much lower-priced offerings?

[BannedInDV]

If this uses the Digic 5 perhaps other cameras like the forthcoming T4i will be hackable for 4K MJPEG

[meltycat]

[quote author=Per Lichtman link=topic=569.msg3750#msg3750 date=1334187781]

Canon's flagship DSLR, the EOS-1D X(with HD rather than 4K video) is set around $6,800 body only. To think that they would cannibalize its sales with a 4K camera at lower price point before the 1D X has even been made widely available seems a little odd.
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yeah but the EOS-1DX is primarily a stills camera. why not release a cinema version that is primarily a cinema version with lesser stills functionality?

[Per Lichtman]

Because there is no competing product that does so at that price point and the company has no reason to lower the margins on the market segment.

[meltycat]

[quote author=Per Lichtman link=topic=569.msg3753#msg3753 date=1334188775]
Because there is no competing product that does so at that price point and the company has no reason to lower the margins on the market segment.
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right. i would argue that it is simply not revolutionary enough at that price point though. yes there is no dslr shooting 4k mjpeg at that price. but there is a red scarlet for a few thousand more that has RAW. there is the sony fs700 for a few thousand less that has, presumably, much higher frame rates.

yes, it's what we all expected and it "makes sense" given the parameters that canon has outlined for themselves by their other releases. my point was that it's not revolutionary. everytime a new camera appears it has some new feature but lacks a bunch of others. 

[rishaar]

[quote]my point was that it's not revolutionary. everytime a new camera appears it has some new feature but lacks a bunch of others.  [/quote]

exactly ! under 30K, i believe every professional camera is a compromise. They give you some piece of tech but fail to deliver the whole package.
i don't know whether they technically can't at this price tag or if it's just market driven, but every single manufacturer (even the self-appointed "revolutionary" RED ) does the same.

Also, we have to consider the accessories: $5K for 4k recorders, $15K for cinema glass, wireless Follow Focus...
i guess it is not targeted at $3-4K body shooters.

[chulx1001]

Where is Sony Full Frame camera? Go 4k Sony!

[Per Lichtman]

So what is the C500 missing that people wanted?

[Andrew Reid]

[quote author=meltycat link=topic=569.msg3742#msg3742 date=1334182825]
The "Cinema 1D"?

..so where is the Cinema 5D?
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It isn't the forum ***URL not allowed*** is it? :)

It isn't the Mark III

It could only be the camera of our dreams circa $3000 in 2 years.

[Andrew Reid]

[quote author=meltycat link=topic=569.msg3748#msg3748 date=1334185494]
someone release something revolutionary in the $2,000-$3,000 range please.  if all of NAB's big announcements just end up being $10,000+ cameras that require $5,000+ external recorders to reach their full potential.. well hell, none of that is very revolutionary, because by then you're up to the price of a scarlet and that revolution has already happened.
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I too am more interested in accessible 'Apple market' cameras rather than 'IBM mainframe' $10,000 crap.