wolf33d Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 The firmware is out. Can someone confirm if the 4K120p can now be recorded in IPB and IPB light or just ALL-I? Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Nevermind the answer is yes. All the details here http://downloads.canon.com/nw/home/products/camera/EOS-R5-firmware-full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0ZapCAXcJ_hV9t90wcJ05JPQThFCTNGf0umDbEZKwJil2How3LaHzKAhE really nice!! ntblowz and Emanuel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 4k120p is still All-I, same for the new FHD 120fps option But 9k/4k/FHD get new ipb lite is a real good addition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Nice! What does this mean for the dynamic range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just did the upgrade. The big news for me is RAW Light as I shoot mostly RAW. RAW Light files open in Resolve 17.1 whiteout any issue and editing speed seems to be similar to the normal RAW. I need to do some more testing but the size saving is big ca 40% in >=25fps and 50% in 24fps, this is very welcomed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 The new lite options seem to greatly reduced the heat build up inside the camera. This guy recorded 1hr18min of 8k raw lite til battery died Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, ntblowz said: The new lite options seem to greatly reduced the heat build up inside the camera. This guy recorded 1hr18min of 8k raw lite til battery died 1:18 min "continues" 8k raw..... impressive..... probably under the sun will be different but from where we started with this camera is a huge improvements Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Patts Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Great to hear the firmware update is out. Sad that CLOG3 only give it 0.5 stops improvement in DR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Robert Patts said: Sad that CLOG3 only give it 0.5 stops improvement in DR From where does it comes this number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Patts Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 @gt3rs Here. Rinad Amir and Emanuel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Well its a cloudly day though.. probably need to test more extreme condition like indoor with window or sunset, but you can recover more highlight with clog3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Robert Patts said: @gt3rs Here. It is interesting as they said in their test: https://www.slashcam.de/artikel/Test/Der-Dynamikumfang-von-Canon-EOS-R5---R6--Panasonic-S5-und-Sony-A7SIII-im-Vergleich.html that the R5 is actually on pair or even a tad better than the A7S III even before the CLog3..... "Im besten Fall sehen wir den Vorsprung der Panasonic S5 gegenüber dem restlichen Feld (Sony A7SIII, Canon EOS R5 und R6) bei maximal einer nutzbaren Blendenstufe. Sony nimmt den den Marketing-Mund mit 15 Blendenstufen am vollsten und landet dennoch in unserer Einschätzung auf dem letzten Platz, was auf den ungünstigen Mix aus Rauschunterdrückung und Kompressionsartefakten zurückzuführen ist. Es handelte sich bei unserer Betrachtung jedoch noch ausdrücklich um ein Vorserienmodell. Wir warten bereits sehnsüchtig auf ein Serienmodell der A7SIII, um dieses Verhalten noch mit mehr Messungen untersuchen zu können. Auch lässt sich mit dem gewonnenen Eindruck eventuell noch an den internen Parametern der Kamera einiges "drehen". Die von Canon genannten 12 Blendenstufen scheinen uns dagegen eher etwas untertrieben. Sowohl die R5 als auch die R6 können in der Dynamik gut mit den aktuellen 14+-Spitzenreitern von Panasonic mithalten." It is so hard to measure DR that is not really worth to look at numbers imo. In RAW R5 DR is more than fine if Clog3 brings it there (as I expect) then I really don't see why people would complain.... UncleBobsPhotography 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Wow, this is an awesome update and fairly un-Canon of Canon. The two headline features for me are: Cinema RAW Light CLOG3 in 4K modes. I would like more tests on the differences of CLOG and CLOG3 on R5. Even in slashcams test image with the clouds the difference is slight but noticeable and takes away some of the video look. Would have liked to see a full stop improvement but I'll take it! I've mode in most cases, when shooting in 4KHQ mode, you can lift shadows and midtones with very little problems in the final image, so in some cases I expose for the highlights and lift in post and it looks really good. I wouldn't do that in RAW or non HQ modes though. The 8K -> 4K oversample really squashes noise and makes it super fine grained. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: I wouldn't do that in RAW or non HQ modes though. Why not in RAW? I think most people that use RAW they then deliver in 4k anyway so you get the same benefits but you can control how much NR is applied compared to CLog that has some NR going on. Depending if I punch in or not I do apply more or less NR..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, gt3rs said: Why not in RAW? I think most people that use RAW they then deliver in 4k anyway so you get the same benefits but you can control how much NR is applied compared to CLog that has some NR going on. Depending if I punch in or not I do apply more or less NR..... I always like to overexpose RAW just a bit. Not saying you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 After a quick test mid-morning before work... I'm pretty happy with having CLOG3. It gives a slight bump in DR and if I protect highlights a bit and just bump midtones up slightly the image looks really nice. This is with Canons R5 CLOG3 corrective LUT. Really, really interested in RAW light and creating a workflow for that. Only issue I've encountered, and maybe I'm just dumb, is that it looks like Zebra 1+2 goes away in CLOG3 mode? I only have one set up zebras... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerocool22 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Has anybody compared the 5d iii raw vs the r5 raw? And see how much DR has improved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajay Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I assume these lighter codecs for 4k still are 4:2:2 and not 4:2:0? I was hoping the 1.3 firmware would give 4:2:0 as an option. I prefer 4:2:0 as it is much easier to edit. Especially interested in this for 4k 120p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: Only issue I've encountered, and maybe I'm just dumb, is that it looks like Zebra 1+2 goes away in CLOG3 mode? I only have one set up zebras... Quick test both Zebra 1 and 2 shows up and I have it set at 60 +-5 and 95 in CLog3 (100 does not work in log) UncleBobsPhotography 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, ajay said: I assume these lighter codecs for 4k still are 4:2:2 and not 4:2:0? I was hoping the 1.3 firmware would give 4:2:0 as an option. I prefer 4:2:0 as it is much easier to edit. Especially interested in this for 4k 120p. I agree it would have been cool to have a 10bit 4:2:0 option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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