currensheldon Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 WOW. That's a pretty impressive update for the R5, especially C-Log3 and Raw Lite. I'd love to see whatever raw compression this is in 8k in their 4k raw cameras (C200, C300III, C500II). The 1gbps 4k still has massive file sizes, but if the 8k is 1.3gbps, then I'd assume 400-600mbps in 4k with the same compression is possible. Something like 8:1, perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf33d Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Absolutely sucks that 4K120 is still All-I though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, wolf33d said: Absolutely sucks that 4K120 is still All-I though. Well, I follow your POV but let's not forget going with 5X the 24p rate, we have 376Mbps as 'regular' speed equivalent, so it's not that bad detail-wise also in order to avoid any potential introduction of nasty artifacts along your footage ; ) Without mention, you can always recode it : ) I'd firmly suggest this one, though: shooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Just updated. Wow, game changer. Must test recording time. Overheating a thing of the past? If the only recording limitation is the 30-min recording time, practically speaking, then overheating might be a concern only in hot environments. The RAW LIGHT (a bit awkward to navigate so many options in the menu now) - I'm genuinely surprised. The regular raw bitrate is proportional to cinema raw light, so I doubted Canon could somehow decrease the bitrate-but they did! A new format that is nearly 40% reduced, even below the C500ii's 6k raw. This has a major impact on storage costs in the post-production chain. gt3rs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Some of you guys are getting way too caught up in dynamic range "numbers" on tests. All the recent cameras have similar dynamic range, although the processing will manipulate those numbers obviously (see Sonys w/ blotchy NR - is that worth it for you?) For the R5, shoot raw, protect the highlights. Use clog2. When you downscale from 8K, most visible noise will be gone--any remaining will be a fine, film-like grain that's quite nice. No better image south of the C500ii or fx9 in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 I can’t get the new RAW light files to display in Final Cut Pro on a M1 MBP. I can import them but the video files are just all black. There is sound and FCP correctly applied Canon Log2 in the settings. Strange. Files playback fine on R5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Try Resolve. No issues w/ the Raw light files on Mac mini M1. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 43 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: I can’t get the new RAW light files to display in Final Cut Pro on a M1 MBP. I can import them but the video files are just all black. There is sound and FCP correctly applied Canon Log2 in the settings. Strange. Files playback fine on R5. Did you get the Canon RAW Plugin 2.2 for Final Cut Pro X? if not: https://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/3/0200006353/01/rpfm-2-2-0-5-9l.dmg.gz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, mechanicalEYE said: Did you get the Canon RAW Plugin 2.2 for Final Cut Pro X? if not: https://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/3/0200006353/01/rpfm-2-2-0-5-9l.dmg.gz Huh...I just see v2.1 on Canon USA. EDIT: I see they have 2.2 on canon Asia website. Man, they have terrible department communications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechanicalEYE Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Video Hummus said: Huh...I just see v2.1 on Canon USA. Yes, it's not there, or it wasn't when checked earlier... they listed it on the US press release but it's updates are always kinda slow for the US site. I have made a habit of looking on the Japan site on release dates. anyways, I'm running 2.2 from the provided link, and have no issues seeing the files on FCPX. Video Hummus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, independent said: The RAW LIGHT (a bit awkward to navigate so many options in the menu now) - I'm genuinely surprised. The regular raw bitrate is proportional to cinema raw light, so I doubted Canon could somehow decrease the bitrate-but they did! A new format that is nearly 40% reduced, even below the C500ii's 6k raw. This has a major impact on storage costs in the post-production chain. This is truly surprising as the compression ratio is more than any C camera from Canon. 8k RAW at 1.3 Gbits/s is very very good is basically in the same ballpark as 8:1 RED 8k RAW Emanuel, shooter and Video Hummus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, gt3rs said: This is truly surprising as the compression ratio is more than any C camera from Canon. 8k RAW at 1.3 Gbits/s is very very good is basically in the same ballpark as 8:1 RED 8k RAW Yes I’m very surprised. Up to 24 minutes of RAW light compared to standard 12 minutes with 256GB card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 5 hours ago, independent said: Must test recording time. Overheating a thing of the past? If the only recording limitation is the 30-min recording time, practically speaking, then overheating might be a concern only in hot environments. I thought they did away with the recording limits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, mechanicalEYE said: Yes, it's not there, or it wasn't when checked earlier... they listed it on the US press release but it's updates are always kinda slow for the US site. I have made a habit of looking on the Japan site on release dates. anyways, I'm running 2.2 from the provided link, and have no issues seeing the files on FCPX. Updated. v2.2 working like a charm. 1 hour ago, newfoundmass said: I thought they did away with the recording limits? No, Canon annoying has 29m59s recording limits...👎🏻 newfoundmass and mechanicalEYE 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
independent Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Manual focus override not working, hm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWX Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Any word on if the battery hack still works to reset the overheat timer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currensheldon Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 5 hours ago, gt3rs said: This is truly surprising as the compression ratio is more than any C camera from Canon. 8k RAW at 1.3 Gbits/s is very very good is basically in the same ballpark as 8:1 RED 8k RAW That's what I was thinking - about an 8:1 compression. Whatever this compression ratio is, I'd LOVE it if they brought it to 4k in the the C300 III, C200, and any other future 4k raw cameras. 8:1 is sort of the sweet spot for quality and file sizes. For 4k, that would probably be closer o 400-600mbps, which is the same or a bit more than All-I. shooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, currensheldon said: That's what I was thinking - about an 8:1 compression. Whatever this compression ratio is, I'd LOVE it if they brought it to 4k in the the C300 III, C200, and any other future 4k raw cameras. 8:1 is sort of the sweet spot for quality and file sizes. For 4k, that would probably be closer o 400-600mbps, which is the same or a bit more than All-I. The 8k RAW Lite is the same file size as the 8k All-I on the R5, they should definitely do that to their other camera. currensheldon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, independent said: Manual focus override not working, hm... only work for 4 lens atm (70-200 2.8 RF, 100-500, 600, 800), other lens will need to be updated to support it. independent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 12 hours ago, independent said: Try Resolve. No issues w/ the Raw light files on Mac mini M1. What resolution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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