androidlad Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/leaked-new-venice-2-digital-cinema-camera-with-a-new-8-6k-full-frame-image-sensor/ 8.6K 3:2 30FPS Full-Frame 8.2K 17:9 60FPS Full-Frame 5.8K 6:5 Anamorphic 48FPS Super 35 5.8K 17:9 90FPS Super 35 It shares the same 8.6K sensor IMX610 (but no DRAM) with Sony A1 mirrorless camera. Juank, Emanuel, ntblowz and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 What puzzles me is the way a cine specs list could ignore 120fps nowadays... it's beyond me :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, Emanuel said: What puzzles me is the way a cine specs list could ignore 120fps nowadays... it's beyond me :- ) It's a leak, full info hasn't been released yet. Based on the framerates above, it will very likely do 5.8K 2.39:1 at 120fps. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I guess so but that's the fact they're only focused on flooding us with paper specs other than real world features instead :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I'm interested in what they do behind the sensor to give us that Venice "cinema" look. Obviously that all secret sauce. The technology gap between Sony's prosumer cameras and these super high end is narrowing. Seems to be all in the processing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I doubt this camera output won't be much superior... : ) I guess you mean high-end and prosumer in general is narrowing, that one I buy : ) Three decades ago when I was still starting my path someone who came later to VP of Sony Europe told me very straightforward: "Don't think you'll ever see the same IQ from one to another end because business will never allow it..." I still believe he was pretty honest in those words addressed to me :- ) BTW, I met him at the Lisbon Sony's showroom then when he came there to take a look on some new slides device from their photography consumer range. He was the responsible for Portuguese Sony Broadcast & Industry division in the beginning of 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 One of the reasons I immediately embraced Jim's vision on his Red endeavour from day one ; ) Blackmagic Design is what RED didn't succeed to be : ) And today, I come here to the pioneering effort put by our webmaster to respond @kye or @mercer when they wonder themselves why I relegate to a second place the traditional manufacturers ;- ) Even though I always salute their progress (half dozen of Canons and more than a dozen of Panasonic cameras over my inventory yet nowadays :- ) Zeng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Emanuel said: One of the reasons I immediately embraced Jim's vision on his Red endeavour from day one ; ) Blackmagic Design is what RED didn't succeed to be : ) And today, I come here to the pioneering effort put by our webmaster to respond @kye or @mercer when they wonder themselves why I relegate to a second place the traditional manufacturers ;- ) Even though I always salute their progress (half dozen of Canons and more than a dozen of Panasonic cameras over my inventory yet nowadays :- ) Huh? PannySVHS, Snowfun and Emanuel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 12 hours ago, kye said: Huh? In the last James Bond, at a certain point of the dialogue, he and M nod to each other: "Just the usual" ; ) LOL :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 Sensor is based on IMX610 from α1, but with 16 SLVS-EC 4.6Gbps lanes, intead of 8. The sensor itself cosumes over 5W power. There's no DRAM. ADC operates at 14bit at 1/250s readout at all times (meaning 4ms rolling shutter in all recording modes). Later paid firmware updates may unlock 8.6K 3:2 open gate up to 72fps, 8.6K 2.39:1 up to 120fps. Rinad Amir, Mark Romero 2, Juank and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 8.6K 2.39:1 up to 120fps? It's such a jump! :- ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 It's official: https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/digital-cinema-cameras/venice2 Emanuel, Juank and Snowfun 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 The reason for not includeing phase detection on Venice is interesting Quote “When you start showing very high quality moving images on very big screens the pattern created on the face of the sensor by the AF phase detection pixels and the wires that interconnect them start to show up as a very faintly visible fixed pattern (it's rarely noticed in still or static images). So the sensors used for Venice don't have any AF detection sites and that's why Venice doesn't have AF. In very dark scenes these patterns can sometimes be seen in FX6 and FX9 footage as a form of fixed pattern noise that never changes or moves.” kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 9 hours ago, ntblowz said: The reason for not includeing phase detection on Venice is interesting That's why Panasonic isn't including PDAF in any of its cameras 😂 Juank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 11 hours ago, sanveer said: That's why Panasonic isn't including PDAF in any of its cameras 😂 Yet another reason the GH5 is still a leader.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, kye said: Yet another reason the GH5 is still a leader.... I love Panasonic, but they are missing a very important, yet still optional at a flick of a switch, feature. Hope they fix it. sanveer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Video Hummus said: I love Panasonic, but they are missing a very important, yet still optional at a flick of a switch, feature. Hope they fix it. And get PDAF fixed-pattern interference in the image? I don't think so! It's like you didn't even read the preceding comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanveer Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Curiously the fixed pattern noise, that appears static across frames is something I noticed in one of stars wars films (one of the 2 last ones). I thought it was a bad case of adding film grain, after shooting on a digital camera. Also, strangely, it was during one of the daytime shots, and not low light ones, like Sony explains in their reasoning doe not including PDAF. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share Posted November 17, 2021 54 minutes ago, sanveer said: Curiously the fixed pattern noise, that appears static across frames is something I noticed in one of stars wars films (one of the 2 last ones). I thought it was a bad case of adding film grain, after shooting on a digital camera. Also, strangely, it was during one of the daytime shots, and not low light ones, like Sony explains in their reasoning doe not including PDAF. Similarly, if you look really hard you can see the "stitching lines" on some shots showing skys in Miracle on the Hudson shot on Alexa 65, because the sensor is "stitched" using three A2X recticles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 21 hours ago, kye said: And get PDAF fixed-pattern interference in the image? I don't think so! It's like you didn't even read the preceding comments? LOL, yeah all those countless documentaries I'e watched filmed on C100, C200, C300, FX9 and on and on were unwatchable with horrible fixed pattern PDAF noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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