stefanocps Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Hello, i put up a new pc for my video editing in premiere. Well, i am on a budget and i gathered all 2nd hand parts to make I have ryzen 7 3700, 32gb ram,an asus tuf b550 mb and a nvme. I'am still using my old graphic, gtx 760, and i think it would be nice to have something better But as you know prices for vga are crazy, i don't want to pay for vga more than for the whole pc! I am searching for used gtx1660 or 1070..but still expensive, more than my pc! In premiere i made some little edit and it seems not too bad, work with proxies But there is a strange thing, if i play with a player clip from my xt3...h265 400mbs are fine, they play smooth If i play h264 they are choppy..they are not playable. I tried different players and it is like that for all, but the old app mpc, that is quite fine I don't know if this depends on the vga, though h265 are fine.. What do you think? And in case, what vga shall i go for not paying ridicolous money?or may it is not that worthy and it might be better to keep my 760, waiting for when prices reduce?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Get a used TITAN X or XP from ebay:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=nvidia+titan&_sacat=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 24, 2021 Author Share Posted December 24, 2021 well..they seems the same big price of all the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 It might be worth considering the economics of investing in this. For example, if you have more work than capacity then time is money and it's worth calculating the value of your time and what time savings might be gained by buying a more expensive card, for example if you didn't have to render proxies. Also, editing and post are creative activities and if having a slower performance annoys you then your results will be less than they could be if you weren't annoyed. Just some things to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 25, 2021 Author Share Posted December 25, 2021 i do edit very few time for money. I do my projects, for creativity, and personal and artistic pourpouses, but mostly not for money, and expecially never with time in a hurry. I spent around 350 euro for the pc, buying second hand parts..don t see logical spending the double for the card alone I have been working in the past year with my laptop with i7 7700 and ght 1050. Of course i need to works with proxies, and render time are not fast, but i never felt being limited in this way, though i know i woul dlike to have somehting better But you know, it is not always possible to have things in the way you wish at the most, and compromise are needed Graphic card is one of this. I never think to spend 600, 700 euro for a graphic card..not now at least! My post here is just for this, to find the best combination that consider saving and effectiveness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 i like the fact that you have thrown something together for your self. If you are happy with your workflow keep going at it. Sometimes the next step can be a pricey one regardless of the product. Standard computers are good for normal tasks, when you start asking them to do the unusual, then you'll hit bottlenecks. At the moment fast video cards are dear. If you want to get around those bottlenecks you have to spend money, it may not be a good time to be buying. Only you can decide if the results, justifies the expense. i am curious, if you did have a faster card is it likely to cut out using proxies all together ? would it save you running the machine over night ? if it did that then its probably worth it. you do not say whether your on a 1080 timeline or 4k or something inbetween h265 files tend to be a bit smaller and maybe more efficient than h264. Depending on what resolution your delivering in, that may have some bearing on the the differences between h265 running smoothly and h264 not PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 31 minutes ago, leslie said: i like the fact that you have thrown something together for your self. If you are happy with your workflow keep going at it. Sometimes the next step can be a pricey one regardless of the product. Standard computers are good for normal tasks, when you start asking them to do the unusual, then you'll hit bottlenecks. At the moment fast video cards are dear. If you want to get around those bottlenecks you have to spend money, it may not be a good time to be buying. Only you can decide if the results, justifies the expense. i am curious, if you did have a faster card is it likely to cut out using proxies all together ? would it save you running the machine over night ? if it did that then its probably worth it. you do not say whether your on a 1080 timeline or 4k or something inbetween h265 files tend to be a bit smaller and maybe more efficient than h264. Depending on what resolution your delivering in, that may have some bearing on the the differences between h265 running smoothly and h264 not i was not looking for a fast videocard, but for one better than my gtx760 at a price that can be worthy doing the upgrade It never happened to me to have pc render all the night, and i think i'll keep working with proxies even with a better videocard as the rest of the pc is not a monster. My project are usually at 2k, with files shot at 4k, and on average are within 15 minutes lenght, or less I use some fx, not that much, some cc..So i can still work now, but if for a reasonable money i can get a better performance then it'is fine, otherwise i mighht wait till the price of vga become normal PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 If I was to buy a card, a RTX2070 would be perfect for my needs. 1070, 1080, 2060 should be good enough even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 27, 2021 Author Share Posted December 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, PannySVHS said: If I was to buy a card, a RTX2070 would be perfect for my needs. 1070, 1080, 2060 should be good enough even. this is good suggestion I was thinking about a 1660 also, probably 1070 will come out something cheaper How do 1660 compare to those you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1660 Ti should be about the same as a 1070. So 1070, 1660 or 1660TI would all be fine, 1070 offering even 8GB of ram. stefanocps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 what about the amd?like rx580? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 I don´t know. I usually look for comparision charts of the models, comparing one to the other. 1070 outperforms the rx580 by a significant margin. I would go with a 1070 or 1660. stefanocps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 GPU usage in Premiere is quite selective. It can help with effects, render and export, but I don't think its going to impact your playback issues much (if at all). CPU, multiple drive setup, and overall system balance are the top considerations for Premiere. Also, you will very often arrive at problems with h.264 and h.265 cut natively. Much better to proxy or transcode to an editing format such as ProRes. Even your proxies should be ProRes (or something similar like CineForm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 i don't have playback problems in premiere, and anyway i always proxies.. I have problem with playback h264 file in windows, with vlc, mediaplayer or other, but i can play smooth with the old app mpc. I don't have problem in playing back in windows h264 files though This was my enquire, why h264 are not smooth and h265 are? What you mean for multiple drive setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Ah, I see. You need at least 2 hard drives and preferably 4 (or more). The minimum recommended setup is: Drive 1 - OS and NLE Drive 2 - Project files, Scratch, & Media Cache Drive 3 - Export and Storage Some people further separate Project files and Scratch, etc. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Mmmbeats said: Ah, I see. You need at least 2 hard drives and preferably 4 (or more). The minimum recommended setup is: Drive 1 - OS and NLE Drive 2 - Project files, Scratch, & Media Cache Drive 3 - Export and Storage Some people further separate Project files and Scratch, etc. with the fast nvme now,odes it still have a sense to separate os/app from project files/cache ? ihave 1 tb nvme and i thought could be enough for all together in term of speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmmbeats Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 On 12/30/2021 at 2:33 PM, stefanocps said: with the fast nvme now,odes it still have a sense to separate os/app from project files/cache ? ihave 1 tb nvme and i thought could be enough for all together in term of speed I don't know enough about that to comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 I know I am going to piss everyone one off that has commented but to the OP forget all they say and just go out and buy a M1 Mac of some kind and All your troubles will be over with. That is what I did, Long time PC guy, hand built nearly all of them, and said piss on it, bought a base used M1 Mac Mini , a used M1 13" Macbook Pro and hey guess what problem solved. Run Davinci Resolve Studio like it is a hot knife though butter. Piss on any more PC crap. It is all sitting in my closet gathering dust Never to be seen again. Apple Silicon is UBER as hell. I still have a gaming laptop for my online games but that is it. I Even bought a new Ben Q 4k 32" monitor to boot. Shiting in High Cotton as they say and for WAY less money than any PC is going to do. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanocps Posted January 2, 2022 Author Share Posted January 2, 2022 7 hours ago, webrunner5 said: I know I am going to piss everyone one off that has commented but to the OP forget all they say and just go out and buy a M1 Mac of some kind and All your troubles will be over with. That is what I did, Long time PC guy, hand built nearly all of them, and said piss on it, bought a base used M1 Mac Mini , a used M1 13" Macbook Pro and hey guess what problem solved. Run Davinci Resolve Studio like it is a hot knife though butter. Piss on any more PC crap. It is all sitting in my closet gathering dust Never to be seen again. Apple Silicon is UBER as hell. I still have a gaming laptop for my online games but that is it. I Even bought a new Ben Q 4k 32" monitor to boot. Shiting in High Cotton as they say and for WAY less money than any PC is going to do. with the money i should pay for the m1 i can but my pc (which have already bought) plus any graphic card. Thanks for suggestion but it does have nothing to do with my question! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Hell you can buy a used M1 Mini for $450.00. It sits behind my monitor they are that small. You can't buy a decent graphics card for that much money. Then you end up with a power sucking, noisy, hot, slow, big ass computer. It's your money, good luck with it. If you want to do video editing a PC sure as hell is Not the way to go in this day and age unless you are doing 1080p with a Canon C100 Codec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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