Canon EOS R5C

[Andrew Reid]

Well... that answers the stabilisation part I guess.

Wonder if you need an RF OIS lens or does it do as well with EF OIS?

[Django]

16 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Questions for EOS R5C users...

Can it shoot a full range of codecs and video in stills mode, like an EOS R5, or do you always have to be in the Cinema EOS mode to get 8K, 4K, etc.?

Do you miss IBIS, or not so much and how's the electronic stabilisation?

Does it have 10bit H.265 at 50Mbit/s in 4K for tiny file sizes?

I've never used one but the more it comes down in price the more tempted I am

Not a R5C user, but I've researched this product extensively:

You have to switch to Cine mode for video capture. And there is a couple seconds delay when you switch.

Main drawback is you lose C1/C2/C3 video custom banks. But you gain S&F modes with quick access so slow-mo can be done in cam with many more options (like 36/40fps for subtle slow-mo) and with shutter angle you don't have to worry about setting shutter speed.

Other advantages vs R5 is no pixel binned 4K60p which is huge for me personally. Also all the cine exposure tools, Wide DR profile and custom LUTs. 

Codec wise you gain XF-AVC which cuts like butter even on old intel Macs. This is major for me because I had to convert h265 files on R5 to edit on my iMac Pro. Smallest file sizes for 10bit 4K is around 100mb/s.

No record limits on R5C plus a fan for zero overheating.

IBIS, now that's a tough one. Stabilisation is my main concern too. I'm so used to it. But if you do use OIS lenses in conjunction with EIS you can get good if not better results. Big question mark I have is concerning non IS EF lenses. Handshake & jitter on 4K/8K isn't a pretty thing. There is always gimbals but not my cup of tea. 

IBIS aside, if you weigh the pros/cons to me R5C is the clear winner, especially now that battery life is drastically improved if you use the new Canon batteries. That said I've seen dirt cheap used R5 bodies which is also tempting, just to put my dormant Canon glass to good use. 

 

[Andrew Reid]

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

Not a R5C user, but I've researched this product extensively:

You have to switch to Cine mode for video capture. And there is a couple seconds delay when you switch.

This is a pity. Can you carry over the current exposure settings from one mode to the other?

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

Main drawback is you lose C1/C2/C3 video custom banks. But you gain S&F modes with quick access so slow-mo can be done in cam with many more options (like 36/40fps for subtle slow-mo) and with shutter angle you don't have to worry about setting shutter speed.

Apparently in video mode you can shoot only JPEG photos, so again have to switch and switch and switch again.

Then again this is not a GH1.

I suppose you can shoot 8K RAW in video mode and just extract the stills from that, for a hybrid shoot.

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

Other advantages vs R5 is no pixel binned 4K60p which is huge for me personally. Also all the cine exposure tools, Wide DR profile and custom LUTs. 

Wow the 4K/60p is oversampled from 8k/60?

I bet the battery life takes a bit of a hammering though.

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

Codec wise you gain XF-AVC which cuts like butter even on old intel Macs. This is major for me because I had to convert h265 files on R5 to edit on my iMac Pro. Smallest file sizes for 10bit 4K is around 100mb/s.

Good, I get along well with H.265 at 50-100Mbit, it has a great image for tiny file size.

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

IBIS, now that's a tough one. Stabilisation is my main concern too. I'm so used to it. But if you do use OIS lenses in conjunction with EIS you can get good if not better results. Big question mark I have is concerning non IS EF lenses. Handshake & jitter on 4K/8K isn't a pretty thing. There is always gimbals but not my cup of tea.

That's my main concern as well, does the EIS alone work well with a Leica M lens on the front?

And it doesn't work at all for photos.

And I am wondering how big the crop is without an OIS lens.

On 12/6/2024 at 2:29 PM, Django said:

IBIS aside, if you weigh the pros/cons to me R5C is the clear winner, especially now that battery life is drastically improved if you use the new Canon batteries. That said I've seen dirt cheap used R5 bodies which is also tempting, just to put my dormant Canon glass to good use.

2000 euro EOS R5 / 3000 euro EOS R3 / 3000 euro EOS R5 C second hand in Europe.

R3 is tempting at that price as well.

Why are Canon bodies depreciating so much more than they used to?

People switching to Sony maybe?

[Ty Harper]

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

This is a pity. Can you carry over the current exposure settings from one mode to the other?

Apparently in video mode you can shoot only JPEG photos, so again have to switch and switch and switch again.

Then again this is not a GH1.

I suppose you can shoot 8K RAW in video mode and just extract the stills from that, for a hybrid shoot.

Wow the 4K/60p is oversampled from 8k/60?

I bet the battery life takes a bit of a hammering though.

Good, I get along well with H.265 at 50-100Mbit, it has a great image for tiny file size.

That's my main concern as well, does the EIS alone work well with a Leica M lens on the front?

And it doesn't work at all for photos.

And I am wondering how big the crop is without an OIS lens.

2000 euro EOS R5 / 3000 euro EOS R3 / 3000 euro EOS R5 C second hand in Europe.

R3 is tempting at that price as well.

Why are Canon bodies depreciating so much more than they used to?

People switching to Sony maybe?

These are all pretty fair assessments - and of course we all have different pros/cons based on our shooting needs.

As someone who has been using the R5C for several years now, and now has two of them, I can say that the switching from video to pics is not that big of a deal after a FW update that reduced the switch over time to under 5 seconds. So if that practical difference of maaaybe 2 seconds (compared to an R5 or other hybrid cams) is of absolute critical importance - compared to all the things you gain with the R5C's feature set - and if JPEG isn't enough, then yes, it isn't the cam for you. Also, if I'm not mistaken, you can be in 8K RAW video mode AND still shoot RAW pics. You don't have to extract stills from the video.

As far as image stab goes, I initially bought an R5 bcuz I thought I needed IBIS, and honestly, after about 6 months using both cams together, I didn't feel like the gains of the R5's IBIS were enough for me to keep it - so I sold it and got my second R5C. For my use cases the R5C's DIS in tandem with lens IS is perfect for my needs. And again, losing IBIS was offset by all the cot damn features you get with the R5C. 

The only thing I miss with the R5 is the little extra compactness it gives you by not having a fan AND the fact that you cannot adjust the internal mics on the R5C, at all. These factors are why I'm currently considering picking up and R7/5/6 MKII for a passion project I'm shooting overseas next year. Bcuz the R5C's fan + the need to have a small shotgun mic for usable audio, means I'll stick out like a sore thumb way more if I bring it with me, altho that Sennheiser MKE 200 might low pro/compact enough for me to just stick with one of my R5C. 

All that to say, the R5C feels to me like a final destination, future proof cam. And while I still need to decide what my C-Cam will be, I won't be surprised if I just make it another R5C and call it day.

[Ty Harper]

Haven't seen any tests yet nor have I had time to update to this latest FW myself, but early comments from those who have are suggesting that the updates to the R5C's DIS (#7 below) are really good. If true it would be a fantastic addition to an already amazing cam, imo.

"1. Enables functions to be used without limitation in conjunction with the new Battery Pack LP-E6P. This makes it possible to shoot 59.94P with RAW LT.
2. Enables the display of the digital tele-converter icon on [Main Recording Displays] of [DISP Level 2].
3. Adds the ability to apply Full-Screen display to an external display according to OSD Output setting when using [Peripheral Border Display].
4. Adds function [Tracking by Touch priority] for starting tracking by touching the LCD.
5. Enables the AF Frame and Focus Guide to be moved by dragging.
6. Adds [Protect Images] and [Rating] during FTP Transfer. (Photo Mode)
7. Adds the [Motion Vector For Digital IS] menu option. Default [Disable]*
* [Disable]: Prevents a phenomenon that may cause the image to shake along with the subject when recording a subject (such as a person or an animal) with a large amount movement.
8. Changes the menu option name of [PTP Connection/GP-E2] in [USB Mode] in [System Setup] to [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. For Android devices, please select [Canon App(s)/GP-E2].
9. Adds support for the RF-Mount Cinema Lens: CN7x17 KAS T/R1
- Support for Magnification chromatic aberration correction.
- Support for Peripheral light correction.
- Support for Distortion aberration correction.
- Displaying T number.
- Enables the remote operation from the camera and RC-V100 (Focus/Zoom/Iris).
- Enables the remote operation from Browser Remote (Focus/Zoom/Iris).
- Enables the zoom operation by joystick on camera body.
- Support for Dual Pixel CMOS AF autofocus.
- Support for [Dual Pixel Focus Guide].
- Support for [Push Auto Iris] and [Auto Iris].
10. Fixes minor issues."

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/canon-product-advisories/Firmware-Notice-EOS-R5-C-Firmware-Version-1-0-9-1

[Dude_ger]

Short question -
i am using a d tap to dummy battery, but the cable is too long and big.
Do you know any short cable solutions which are not coiled?
I found the Alvins which is expensive and the one from ZGcine which is too long (60cm)...

[Ty Harper]

1 hour ago, Dude_ger said:

Short question -
i am using a d tap to dummy battery, but the cable is too long and big.
Do you know any short cable solutions which are not coiled?
I found the Alvins which is expensive and the one from ZGcine which is too long (60cm)...

I use the Kondor Blue brand which is great but has a 'quirk' in that when you initially connect it, you need to wait 90 secs or more before you actually turn the camera on. It seems like its a safety measure that allows it to acclimate to the R5C's powering needs w/o blowing the circuits (???). But once you've done that you can turn the cam off/on as much as you want - however, if you disconnect the D-tap from the cam for 90 secs or more, you have to repeat the initial process of connecting and waiting 90 secs, again. Aside from that the Kondor Blue brand has been fantastic and I have two of their D-taps now.

All that said, I actually no longer use the D-tap/dummy battery option anymore because Canon's new LP-E6P batteries give you 90 mins on a charge and 3 hours with the OEM grip. So I plan to get 4 or 5 of these new batteries which should be able to last an entire shoot. Particularly if you have a basic remote battery charging strategy (like two portable USB-C chargers connected to a powerbank). The other reason I have moved away from D-tap (and USB-C powering for that matter) is there is still a chance that a faulty cord or something can fry/damage your cam. Using LP-E6P batteries guarantees that will never happen. 

Anyways hope this helps and good luck!

https://kondorblue.com/products/d-tap-to-canon-lpe6-dummy-battery-cable?srsltid=AfmBOor5C5INM2K10rRTMNEXPh0WihRDU0zMYj4UPBkMwHmdOKIm-4Uy

[Django]

16 hours ago, Ty Harper said:

Haven't seen any tests yet nor have I had time to update to this latest FW myself, but early comments from those who have are suggesting that the updates to the R5C's DIS (#7 below) are really good. If true it would be a fantastic addition to an already amazing cam, imo.

"1. Enables functions to be used without limitation in conjunction with the new Battery Pack LP-E6P. This makes it possible to shoot 59.94P with RAW LT.
2. Enables the display of the digital tele-converter icon on [Main Recording Displays] of [DISP Level 2].
3. Adds the ability to apply Full-Screen display to an external display according to OSD Output setting when using [Peripheral Border Display].
4. Adds function [Tracking by Touch priority] for starting tracking by touching the LCD.
5. Enables the AF Frame and Focus Guide to be moved by dragging.
6. Adds [Protect Images] and [Rating] during FTP Transfer. (Photo Mode)
7. Adds the [Motion Vector For Digital IS] menu option. Default [Disable]*
* [Disable]: Prevents a phenomenon that may cause the image to shake along with the subject when recording a subject (such as a person or an animal) with a large amount movement.
8. Changes the menu option name of [PTP Connection/GP-E2] in [USB Mode] in [System Setup] to [Canon App(s)/GP-E2]. For Android devices, please select [Canon App(s)/GP-E2].
9. Adds support for the RF-Mount Cinema Lens: CN7x17 KAS T/R1
- Support for Magnification chromatic aberration correction.
- Support for Peripheral light correction.
- Support for Distortion aberration correction.
- Displaying T number.
- Enables the remote operation from the camera and RC-V100 (Focus/Zoom/Iris).
- Enables the remote operation from Browser Remote (Focus/Zoom/Iris).
- Enables the zoom operation by joystick on camera body.
- Support for Dual Pixel CMOS AF autofocus.
- Support for [Dual Pixel Focus Guide].
- Support for [Push Auto Iris] and [Auto Iris].
10. Fixes minor issues."

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/canon-product-advisories/Firmware-Notice-EOS-R5-C-Firmware-Version-1-0-9-1

What is this motion vector for DIS? Like gyro info? Official video announcement doesn't even mention this feature lol. 

[Ty Harper]

1 hour ago, Django said:

What is this motion vector for DIS? Like gyro info? Official video announcement doesn't even mention this feature lol. 

It's a new feature that I think the C400 and C80s have and if you google it it does come up but I think Canon probably underestimates how underwhelmed people are/were by DIS which might explain why it's been under promoted - but at least they're attempting to address it. How I understand it so far is that when you disable the Motion Vector option the cam no longer uses the moving objects in the frame in its image stab calculus, which overall allows for less jerky looking results. I'm hoping a Youtuber like Josh Sattin will do some tests and explain the whole thing tho!

[eatstoomuchjam]

4 hours ago, Dude_ger said:

I found the Alvins which is expensive

In my experience, Alvin's is worth the money.  Good cables, great customer support.

[gt3rs]

On 12/19/2024 at 2:47 PM, Ty Harper said:

I use the Kondor Blue brand which is great but has a 'quirk' in that when you initially connect it, you need to wait 90 secs or more before you actually turn the camera on. It seems like its a safety measure that allows it to acclimate to the R5C's powering needs w/o blowing the circuits (???). But once you've done that you can turn the cam off/on as much as you want - however, if you disconnect the D-tap from the cam for 90 secs or more, you have to repeat the initial process of connecting and waiting 90 secs, again. Aside from that the Kondor Blue brand has been fantastic and I have two of their D-taps now.

All that said, I actually no longer use the D-tap/dummy battery option anymore because Canon's new LP-E6P batteries give you 90 mins on a charge and 3 hours with the OEM grip. So I plan to get 4 or 5 of these new batteries which should be able to last an entire shoot. Particularly if you have a basic remote battery charging strategy (like two portable USB-C chargers connected to a powerbank). The other reason I have moved away from D-tap (and USB-C powering for that matter) is there is still a chance that a faulty cord or something can fry/damage your cam. Using LP-E6P batteries guarantees that will never happen. 

Anyways hope this helps and good luck!

https://kondorblue.com/products/d-tap-to-canon-lpe6-dummy-battery-cable?srsltid=AfmBOor5C5INM2K10rRTMNEXPh0WihRDU0zMYj4UPBkMwHmdOKIm-4Uy

This is wired I used exactly the same d-tap adapter for 2 years with my R5c and never had this 90 second issue, is just immediate. I use it with FXLION Nano One batteries.

Never the less Canon should do an official dtap dummy batter that mimics the EP-E6P.

I now moved to two R5II but if I would still be having a R5c I would simply move to EP-E6P and for really long stuff use the USB-C.

PS: it is great that Canon made the R5c work with the new battery it really removes the biggest issue I had with the camera.  

[Ty Harper]

5 hours ago, gt3rs said:

This is wired I used exactly the same d-tap adapter for 2 years with my R5c and never had this 90 second issue, is just immediate. I use it with FXLION Nano One batteries.

Never the less Canon should do an official dtap dummy batter that mimics the EP-E6P.

I now moved to two R5II but if I would still be having a R5c I would simply move to EP-E6P and for really long stuff use the USB-C.

PS: it is great that Canon made the R5c work with the new battery it really removes the biggest issue I had with the camera.  

Interesting, I use FX Lion Nanos as well, lol.

Here's the thing tho, I've repeated the quirk I'm describing with two different Kondor Blue D-Tap/Dummy batt cables, on two different Canon R5C units (I own two of them) and two different FX Lion Nano One batts that are two different versions of the Nano One (VI and VII). 

I actually stumbled on the 90 sec thing after days of troubleshooting why the cam kept shutting off immediately after I connected everything and turned it on. So while my conclusion was drawn from all those tests, there might be something else specific to how I have my cams configured that is causing the quirk but for the life of me I can't think what that would be that it would still show up with that level of consistency in tests with that level of diversity in the tests themselves. The only thing I can think is that maybe its an R5C setting that I used in both cams (??).

Either way, thanks to the LP-E6P my D-Tap/V-Mount days are over!