Guest Ebrahim Saadawi Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 These guys on Nofilmschool are brutal! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 A vintage lens on a Panasonic looks fine and cinematic@24p, and that's without color grading. I often use the same prime Nikon 24 and 50mm lenses on the gx7 and 5d. The images are both pretty cinematic to my eye. I shot a concert film with a gh1 and a 5d; cut together fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animan Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 A vintage lens on a Panasonic looks fine and cinematic@24p, and that's without color grading. I often use the same prime Nikon 24 and 50mm lenses on the gx7 and 5d. The images are both pretty cinematic to my eye. I shot a concert film with a gh1 and a 5d; cut together fine. Panasonics can look really good.. but sometimes when youre not trying too hard, and just using a regular sharp modern lens, maybe due to crop sensor difference or how the camera handles highlight rolloff or just something inexplicable, there is something a little clinical about them, compared to for example a A77/99 or D5200/5300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 4, 2014 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2014 This isn't a centre piece for Panasonic's promotion of the GH4, it is just what Nick Driftwood wants you to believe. Because he presumably thinks there's some kind of career reward in being nice to big companies. The thing is there really isn't. Panasonic just want to sell cameras and make money, they're not really in the best position to be picking sensitive artists to give demo units to. I just walked past a DPReview gold badge on a GH3 box today, just randomly on a store shelf. I realised if it wasn't for me writing the GH3 video page in that review and putting my argument across to the editor that it deserved a gold reward because of the video capabilities (DPR felt it merited a silver, because as a stills camera it lacked any real outstanding spark) that badge wouldn't exist. I felt a bit sad that in some ways my review and my views were being commercialised to sell cameras, without any reward for me, and nor should there be as it would cause bias. That's why I prefer to get minimally involved with stunts like this and marketing. If I make a short film with the GH4 it will be because the camera suits the material, not because I want to score attention with Panasonic, because like I say, there's no real reward for doing so and it is not really what I want. I want attention from other filmmakers and the audience instead. You have to question Nick's motives for making this to be honest and trying to pass it off as a wannabe Panasonic promo video. themartist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreaking Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I'm probably one of the few people who found the footage NOT terrible. It's nothing stellar, but not terrible. Got a coolish tinge to it and shot very clean. Didn't think it was videoish at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 4, 2014 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2014 The 5D Mark III raw has a very similar look. I've shot with the GH4 and that side by side and the video is coming soon with the main review. There's nothing really 'wrong' with the colour, it just depends how you grade it. The main drawback for me is that it isn't full frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreaking Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 The 5D Mark III raw has a very similar look. I've shot with the GH4 and that side by side and the video is coming soon with the main review. There's nothing really 'wrong' with the colour, it just depends how you grade it. The main drawback for me is that it isn't full frame. What do you really miss with the GH4 Andrew? DOF, Bokeh or FOV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 4, 2014 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2014 I just miss the full frame sensor and 14bit colour. You will see in my review if it is a big issue or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafreaking Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I just miss the full frame sensor and 14bit colour. You will see in my review if it is a big issue or not. Hope it's out soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rndmtsk Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I've definitely been seeing lots of videos with blown highlights, which I think contributes to the "videoish" image people are remarking on. I wonder how much of this has to do with the picture profile being used and/or people not limiting their color space to 235. I also remember Andrew saying something about the camera LCD not being the best indicator in the world and the need to expose with the waveform. Obviously there's always gonna be some user error contributing to these things but I do hope we start seeing some better footage from the average Joe bc not all of us are gonna have beautiful Cooke's and other cine lenses at our disposal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazdar Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 This was shot on film... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazdar Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 This isn't a centre piece for Panasonic's promotion of the GH4, it is just what Nick Driftwood wants you to believe. Because he presumably thinks there's some kind of career reward in being nice to big companies. The thing is there really isn't. Panasonic just want to sell cameras and make money, they're not really in the best position to be picking sensitive artists to give demo units to. I just walked past a DPReview gold badge on a GH3 box today, just randomly on a store shelf. I realised if it wasn't for me writing the GH3 video page in that review and putting my argument across to the editor that it deserved a gold reward because of the video capabilities (DPR felt it merited a silver, because as a stills camera it lacked any real outstanding spark) that badge wouldn't exist. I felt a bit sad that in some ways my review and my views were being commercialised to sell cameras, without any reward for me, and nor should there be as it would cause bias. That's why I prefer to get minimally involved with stunts like this and marketing. If I make a short film with the GH4 it will be because the camera suits the material, not because I want to score attention with Panasonic, because like I say, there's no real reward for doing so and it is not really what I want. I want attention from other filmmakers and the audience instead. You have to question Nick's motives for making this to be honest and trying to pass it off as a wannabe Panasonic promo video. When the new camera is coming Im always again and again surprised what a turd footage is used by manufacturers to promote it. Mostly from people I never heard of, or which I consider partly just like hyped camera noobs or just nothing exceptional. After a camera is in the wild everybody is waiting for that one and only piece of short vimeo footage which actually cut it and show us real potencial or real flaws of camera and sell it to us or not. Thats funny to watch it. :) And most funny thing is that creators of this gems are never hired to promote another models :D What a band of ingnorants these marketing people are :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Im always again and again surprised what a turd footage is used by manufacturers to promote it. Mostly from people I never heard of, or which I consider partly just like hyped camera noobs or just nothing exceptional. I think that ballerina short film recently on the web is an officially endorsed Panasonic PR video. It's no great shakes either. Again, not because of the camera, but for unremarkable production reasons...for instance, the editing is not innocuous. Lingering shots on bad acting=narrative distraction. I go to enough film festivals to get my fill of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted May 4, 2014 Administrators Share Posted May 4, 2014 When the new camera is coming Im always again and again surprised what a turd footage is used by manufacturers to promote it. Once again... Panasonic are not using this Driftwood thing to promote the GH4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazdar Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Oh no, I dont consider this Driftwoods thing to be worth to promote GH4. I didnt mean it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damphousse Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 This played in my town a few weeks back. The thing I find ironic about the film is that Wiseau made a movie that'll be more popular and memorable than anything most people with actual talent will ever do. Even when I own the magic GH4, I'll most likely never achieve his level of success. I think what you have wisely pointed out is just because something is famous or made more money doesn't mean it is aestheticly pleasing or shows great talent. That movie was pretty hilarious. How did they make that and have everyone involved keep a straight face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damphousse Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I did a little bit of searching and came across this. No weird blown highlights there. Obviously shot in much softer light. Overall it seems pleasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4INKiller Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I've never understood this issue people have with a sharp, clinical image. It only leaves more room in post. Here's a little something I did with Nick's footage. Julian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmcindie Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Was that trailer really made from film footage? Tommy used dual camera setup for filming. One film and one video camera which he bought for crazy money. The other camera was just a consumer camera to check the scenes. And spy on actors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stab Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 The film looks extremely 'videoish' to me, but that is because the framing is not filmic at all. Also, with some color grading it could be greatly improved. I was just watching Californication the other day and while some shots look filmic, other's look like video to me. Same camera, same crew, same setting ... It's just about the framing. This movie would'nt have looked more filmic with an Alexa. Julian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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