webrunner5 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 They have a battery grip for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, webrunner5 said: They have a battery grip for it. While appreciated, you shouldn't have to spend an extra $150 or whatever to get respectable battery times because BMD decided to again use a small battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Bigger battery means bigger camera tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 Well don't buy it. MurtlandPhoto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 6 hours ago, newfoundmass said: While appreciated, you shouldn't have to spend an extra $150 or whatever to get respectable battery times because BMD decided to again use a small battery. Is it a small battery though? Or is it a normal sized battery with an enormous and very bright screen? The 6K Pro has a 1500 nit 5 inch FHD touchscreen display - with any other camera that would be a separate monitor and would require a separate battery (or two). You can't get something for nothing, despite how much we want to! webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 This thing is a Cine camera, you can't expect it to fit in your front pocket shooting 6K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: This thing is a Cine camera, you can't expect it to fit in your front pocket shooting 6K. What if I sew a pillowcase onto the chest part of my jumper? webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 I guess you could use TomTheDP's Arri in it and look like you are 8 months pregnant with triplets! kye and PannySVHS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPNS Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 this is a product that makes sense from a manufacturers perspective, rather than from the customers perspective, since i'm sure this is just production parts-related. i guess it would just be weird to see new p6ks in stores looking very different without any anouncements? dont really get the point of the p6k anymore since the release of the pro anyway, i just would've discontinued it. the 6k g2 lacks the most important quality of life upgrade so why bother? i also dont think the internal battery life of the 6k pro is that bad for the type of camera it is. its a bit more than the included battery you get with the fx6 from what i can recall. how is the battery life of your alexa @TomTheDP? i hope they ever end up doing a 4k pro with internal nds, or sort of a smaller mft ursa with the same sensor. would be cool to have a version of the 4k that isn't annoying to use as a shoulder camera. a lot people would probably appreciate a new micro cam with the 4k innards too probably. PannySVHS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Anton Bauer Titon base is the way to go imo for proper batt life.. dummy battery p-tap mode: works handheld too, here in USB-C mode.. most annoying part of the Pocket 6Ks is the unreliable battery life metering.. another reason to go external with indicator. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 Solved since day one.. https://idxtek.com/collections/battery/products/sl-f50 https://www.hawkwoods.co.uk/Cine/P/DV-BM4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 15 hours ago, PPNS said: dont really get the point of the p6k anymore since the release of the pro anyway, i just would've discontinued it. t Am sure BMD knows better than us if the P6K (non Pro) makes sense or not, as they've got all the sales data. They'll know how strong sales were for the P6K G1 was, if people were still frequently buying it because it was $500 cheaper (for some people that's a lot), even though P6K Pro was offering so much more (more than just NDs!). Whatever the P6K G1 was selling like, the G2 will only be selling even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 I think IMCE stated it well in the above video I posted. They can use the same assembly line and just leave the ND's out. That is a dream come true for a company. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 19 hours ago, PPNS said: this is a product that makes sense from a manufacturers perspective, rather than from the customers perspective, since i'm sure this is just production parts-related. i guess it would just be weird to see new p6ks in stores looking very different without any anouncements? dont really get the point of the p6k anymore since the release of the pro anyway, i just would've discontinued it. the 6k g2 lacks the most important quality of life upgrade so why bother? i also dont think the internal battery life of the 6k pro is that bad for the type of camera it is. its a bit more than the included battery you get with the fx6 from what i can recall. how is the battery life of your alexa @TomTheDP? i hope they ever end up doing a 4k pro with internal nds, or sort of a smaller mft ursa with the same sensor. would be cool to have a version of the 4k that isn't annoying to use as a shoulder camera. a lot people would probably appreciate a new micro cam with the 4k innards too probably. The non-pro still has a number of advantages over the Pro model - size being a significant one I think. Of course, you could make the case that once a camera is as large as the P4K it doesn't matter if it's 50% larger, and there's some logic to that, but you're really getting into the territory where you can't hand-hold it indefinitely. I use a GH5/lens/mic hand-held and it's borderline for being able to hand-hold it indefinitely and on larger shooting days I've ended up with sore wrists the next day. Sure I'm not a professional camera operator so I don't have the strength there, but I'm also a relatively physically capable person so I'd say I'm somewhere in the middle. For me the major issue with the 6K range is that it's not a mirrorless mount. I understand that you can adapt m42 lenses to EF, but there are a number of DSLR lens mounts that aren't compatible, so it kind of eliminates maybe half or two-thirds of all FF/S35 vintage lenses from consideration. I like having MFT where I can just assume there will be an adapter and sensor coverage and perhaps even a speed booster option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, kye said: The non-pro still has a number of advantages over the Pro model - size being a significant one I think. Not any longer! The G2 and Pro now have identical bodies, I think there is only a 36 gram difference? (the weight of the missing NDs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Not any longer! The G2 and Pro now have identical bodies, I think there is only a 36 gram difference? (the weight of the missing NDs) I meant the old P6K, as I was responding to @PPNS saying "dont really get the point of the p6k anymore since the release of the pro anyway, i just would've discontinued it" Now with the new P6K being the same size as the pro, yeah, that size advantage is gone. I heard someone say that you don't need the internal NDs if you prefer to use external ones, potentially as they might be higher quality than the internal ones (I think they were referring to people who use filters in a matte box). FrameVoyager also said they had problems with their P6K Pro NDs breaking because the camera was dropped by luggage handlers so the NDs are another moving part that can fail. Seems like a typical camera industry thing, as: You get some upgrades from the previous model and combined with the same price point it's a "better" value for money You pay for it with down-sides that you wouldn't have wanted and aren't welcome for a range of users That's basically how the camera industry rolls right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 Even though the original BM PK4 is large it is surprisingly light. Never held a Pro one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 25, 2022 Share Posted June 25, 2022 They are incredible camera series... Here's one produced by me shot on P6K G1: kye, PPNS, newfoundmass and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 hours ago, Emanuel said: They are incredible camera series... Here's one produced by me shot on P6K G1: Thank you for sharing. Was that Korean or Japanese? Is that where you work? That's cool if so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 hours ago, newfoundmass said: Thank you for sharing. Was that Korean or Japanese? Is that where you work? That's cool if so! Yeah, in fact : ) A Japanese feature film. There's a specific thread open now here: newfoundmass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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