ND64 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, Eric Calabros said: The good news is NRAW is apparently not a linear raw. Bad news is it makes massive files. Gerald Undone says Nlog is only for preview and is not applied to the file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: Gerald Undone says Nlog is only for preview and is not applied to the file. Interesting bit of information there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Eric Calabros said: Gerald Undone says Nlog is only for preview and is not applied to the file. Real RAW is linear if not it needs some sort of processing. RED RAW is linear, Canon RAW is linear and this one too. So the log setting is just for preview to better expose for post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted April 14, 2022 Super Members Share Posted April 14, 2022 That is a hell of an update. I bet you all 27 people who have managed to actually get hold of a Z9 will be thrilled. I'm thinking of downloading this update as a precaution anyway on the off chance that, by the time I am able to get hold of a Z9, Nikon's circumnavigation of RED's patents has proven not to be quite as watertight as they must clearly believe it to be. My fanciful idea of getting one in Japan in October looks to be completely doomed based on Yodobashi Camera's site. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 just checked out this 8k raw footage: around 0:46 there is some false colour/moire on the balconies, centre of shot. I dunno. so much to love about this cam but eek If i'd paid $11K for a camera to find that I'd be grimacing webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 It does have a nice 3D look to it at times. Not sure what lens was doing that, they used several in the shoot. But 11K for it, that is big boy money for a mirrorless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 I was a bit skeptical regarding this camera, mainly the stills side, but if I had a pot of cash, a clean slate and you could actually buy one, for my kind of hybrid use, it’s where I’d plop my money. But none of the above exists so I shall continue to sit on my empty pot and wait in hope that ole Pannyboy continues the S line with something thicc. Just not too thicc… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 6 hours ago, gethin said: just checked out this 8k raw footage: around 0:46 there is some false colour/moire on the balconies, centre of shot. I couldn't find it. However its always possible to get moire with 8k resolution. Modern lenses out resolve sensors, even at 100 megapixels. If you want zero occurrence of moire you have to stay in aperture range that diffraction happens, or simply use a softer lens. Sharathc47 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted April 15, 2022 Share Posted April 15, 2022 9 hours ago, gethin said: just checked out this 8k raw footage: around 0:46 there is some false colour/moire on the balconies, centre of shot. I dunno. so much to love about this cam but eek If i'd paid $11K for a camera to find that I'd be grimacing $11K?! You talking Australian dollars? Z9 is $5,499 USD. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharathc47 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/14/2022 at 4:45 PM, Eric Calabros said: The good news is NRAW is apparently not a linear raw. Bad news is it makes massive files. ProRes RAW is line skipped in full frame, but native 5k is available with crop. Data rates for ticoraw are pretty much similar to prores 422 with 12:1 compression i.e 35min of 8k60p recording with 512 gb ssd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 From Engadget "N-RAW "records a vast amount of scene information, yet is a significantly smaller file size, allowing for much more recording time and [a] less intensive workflow," Nikon wrote in a press release. The files take up about half the space of equivalent ProRes RAW HQ files (ProRes RAW HQ 12-bit, 4K 24p video has a data rate of 80-140 MB/s). At the same time, they contain a large amount of detail and up to 68 billion colors, something that's very helpful for VFX, editing and color correction." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gethin Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/15/2022 at 9:58 PM, Django said: $11K?! You talking Australian dollars? Z9 is $5,499 USD. Yep! I usually specify that, I forgot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTheDP Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 11:54 PM, webrunner5 said: From Engadget "N-RAW "records a vast amount of scene information, yet is a significantly smaller file size, allowing for much more recording time and [a] less intensive workflow," Nikon wrote in a press release. The files take up about half the space of equivalent ProRes RAW HQ files (ProRes RAW HQ 12-bit, 4K 24p video has a data rate of 80-140 MB/s). At the same time, they contain a large amount of detail and up to 68 billion colors, something that's very helpful for VFX, editing and color correction." sounds impressive, I want to see it in a 4-6k sensor rather than 8K. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueIndigo Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I've quickly gone through the Z9 PDF user manual but can't find it -- are there film ratio marking options available in the display? Considering the headline video specs of this camera, I'm surprised if Nikon still expects you to put masking tape across the rear screen for 2.39:1 guidelines in 2022. webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 hours ago, TrueIndigo said: I've quickly gone through the Z9 PDF user manual but can't find it -- are there film ratio marking options available in the display? Considering the headline video specs of this camera, I'm surprised if Nikon still expects you to put masking tape across the rear screen for 2.39:1 guidelines in 2022. It's called Grid Type in Z9 settings, there's one each for stills and video: https://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z9/en/15_menu_guide_04_g11.html Rinad Amir and Juank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 So NRAW compression ratio is 4.5:1 in High quality and 7.5:1 in Norma quality. 30 minutes or 50 minutes of 8k24 with 512GB card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueIndigo Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Thanks androidlad, I saw that in the user guide and thought it was just "thirds" or something similar. Any idea what film ratios are available? There seems to be no screenshot or text info about the options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharathc47 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 12:41 PM, Eric Calabros said: So NRAW compression ratio is 4.5:1 in High quality and 7.5:1 in Norma quality. 30 minutes or 50 minutes of 8k24 with 512GB card. No it's 6:1 and 12:1 compression for 12bit video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Sharathc47 said: No it's 6:1 and 12:1 compression for 12bit video Check newest reference guide. There is a table for all bitrates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_one Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 I've been waiting on Nikon to stop being the sleeping giant I've believed it to be in the video department since the D750 release, and from the IQ I'm seeing from N-RAW we might just have a contender for best video image out of a mirrorless hybrid body. I hope this isn't hype, so I'm waiting for more videos to surface. Color fidelity is outstanding. Image is detailed (cinema body league rendering) without looking mirrorless "sharp". DR isn't lacking. Highlights look serviceable.. Evgeniy85, IronFilm and Juank 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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