Video Hummus Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Internal ProRes HQ and internal 12-bit RAW coming in firmware. Nikon is going all out with this for video it seems. Zeng, IronFilm, kye and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The aspect of this that might be cumbersome (selecting images from huge bursts) will really depend on the features that are provided to the user. For example, Nikon could easily implement a feature on the camera itself to detect that images were part of a burst and show them like a video being scrolled through. The user selects one or more images to keep, and maybe there's a button that says "Delete all non-kept images". Maybe from that burst, maybe from all bursts that have one or more "Kept" images. You might hit a button for the camera to show you the bursts that haven't got anything Kept yet, so you knew you hadn't cleaned those ones up. With a slick interface design, the right button allocations, and a bit of practice, the process of culling your bursts might be quite an easy and straight-forward process. This would be instead of having to transfer all images from the card, select ones on the computer, carefully and manually remove the ones you didn't want, probably all in a program that doesn't know where one burst stops and the next one starts. Just something to keep in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, kye said: The aspect of this that might be cumbersome (selecting images from huge bursts) will really depend on the features that are provided to the user. For example, Nikon could easily implement a feature on the camera itself to detect that images were part of a burst and show them like a video being scrolled through. The user selects one or more images to keep, and maybe there's a button that says "Delete all non-kept images". Maybe from that burst, maybe from all bursts that have one or more "Kept" images. You might hit a button for the camera to show you the bursts that haven't got anything Kept yet, so you knew you hadn't cleaned those ones up. With a slick interface design, the right button allocations, and a bit of practice, the process of culling your bursts might be quite an easy and straight-forward process. This would be instead of having to transfer all images from the card, select ones on the computer, carefully and manually remove the ones you didn't want, probably all in a program that doesn't know where one burst stops and the next one starts. Just something to keep in mind. I used to use PW remotes for my remote camera, now in most cases I just start video recording and select the image after from the video, is much quicker to find the right moment in Resolve that culling many images. The big advantage for me no more miss fires, buffer full and so on. Also the fact that now camera are fully silent is a big plus too in some environment that I place the remote Emanuel and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Hm. I wonder what N-RAW could be. Nikon name for Blackmagic BRAW codec ? As said having in mind Nikon will use the same Exceed 7 processor for all cameras following Z9, we may see a more affordable hybrid camera shooting RAW video internally. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt3rs Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 One recent example billdoubleu and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 28, 2021 Super Members Share Posted October 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, kye said: For example, Nikon could easily implement a feature on the camera itself to detect that images were part of a burst and show them like a video being scrolled through. The user selects one or more images to keep, and maybe there's a button that says "Delete all non-kept images". Maybe from that burst, maybe from all bursts that have one or more "Kept" images. You might hit a button for the camera to show you the bursts that haven't got anything Kept yet, so you knew you hadn't cleaned those ones up. It is already there on the existing cameras. You use the lock button to protect the three or four selects from a burst and if you are using the Ethernet or WiFi ports this then automatically instigates the transfer of only those images to the local laptop or down the line to the remote editor if you are using one. The burst can then be cleared using delete all on the camera and it will delete everything except those that have been locked * If you are ingesting manually off the card you then use the "only locked images" option on your editor to ingest only those images. The dedicated Lock button is a big deal for a live editorial workflow (something Sony missed with the A9) and its going to take some getting used to on the Z9 that Nikon have for reason decided to swap its position with the Playback button. * In reality, clearing cards like this is not something that I would do regularly as when working live its easy to miss or underestimate the importance of a seemingly innocuous incident that becomes "the story" later on so it was prudent to leave everything on the card in the event that you might have a piece of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Django Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 First Nikon Z I'm genuinely excited about. 8K60p / 4K120P. Internal Log, Raw, ProResRaw & ProRes 422 HQ!! No overheating problems and good RS performance. I mean damn could this be the full spec no compromise pro hybrid?! Even the price is a nice surprise. Well done Nikon! Zeng, Emanuel, Juank and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Video Hummus Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Django said: First Nikon Z I'm genuinely excited about. 8K60p / 4K120P. Internal Log, Raw, ProResRaw & ProRes 422 HQ!! No overheating problems and good RS performance. I mean damn could this be the full spec no compromise pro hybrid?! Even the price is a nice surprise. Well done Nikon! Yes very impressive. I’m so glad they put some pro codecs in this camera as it kind of pushes mirrorless cameras as a whole in that direction. I’m not a Nikon user but I was cheering them on in the livestream. The future Z6 and Z7’s could be a step up as well. Not to mention many excellent Z system lenses and potential for more with very shallow, adaptable mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newfoundmass Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Kudos to Nikon. This is the kind of stuff I like to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkabi Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 On 10/26/2021 at 2:09 PM, Django said: 120fps is in DX crop mode only at a reduced 11MP. So essentially 4.2K @ 120fps in APS-C. Thats a bit deceiving. Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
androidlad Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, mkabi said: Thats a bit deceiving. Oh well... There's no crop in 11MP 120fps stills mode. The sensor is 2x2 binned for 120fps readout (same method for 4K 120fps video) Juank and IronFilm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 No mechanical shutter. Wow, missed that. Brave move from Nikon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, stephen said: No mechanical shutter. Wow, missed that. Brave move from Nikon. As a photographer, this is the bit I’m not sure about, at least yet… All my previous experience of e:shutter only for stills is it’s nowhere near enough to shoot weddings. Not seen or read a single review of this camera yet so will be intrigued to see just how this works for photographers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted October 28, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 28, 2021 Much better than expected all round. Probably a bit overkill even. But ProRes and that insanely fast sensor with very little overheating even in 8K makes it unique. I am impressed. They are saying the sensor rolling shutter is as fast as a mechanical one. IronFilm and Zeng 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ND64 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 who would have thought the first still camera maker that introduce internal Prores HQ and Prores RAW will be the same company everybody were saying "not serious about video", and not those companies that have been in Cinema camera business for decades. ntblowz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurijTurnsek Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Well, it makes sense ... no cine line to protect. That EVF resolution seems a bit dated, but PROs will probably value battery life more. Kudos for no including a mechanical shutter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 28, 2021 Super Members Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MrSMW said: As a photographer, this is the bit I’m not sure about, at least yet… All my previous experience of e:shutter only for stills is it’s nowhere near enough to shoot weddings. Not seen or read a single review of this camera yet so will be intrigued to see just how this works for photographers. Until the wave of breathless of "reviews" from the usual suspects subside, you can use the Sony a1 as a proxy for how the electronic shutter game has moved on. Certainly, as it is Nikon's flagship stills camera then they'd have to be stark raving mad to not be on a par with it and the specs would suggest it will be. To throw their lot in completely with electronic shutter makes me confident that they are confident that they have made the issues go away, particularly as its a sports camera and the LED ad boards will be its achille's heel if not. After shooting with Nikon for over 40 years, this is the Z series camera that actually interests me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntblowz Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 This camera is the perfect cam for the Apple eco system with internal Prores and Prores Raw! Now I tempted. IronFilm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I wonder on its weight though... Seems bulky : X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Members BTM_Pix Posted October 28, 2021 Super Members Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said: Much better than expected all round. Probably a bit overkill even. I think Sony might have forced their hand to go no holds barred. The deal that Sony did to supply Associated Press that they have now followed up with the same type with the Press Association must have spooked them a bit. At the end of the day, as soon as Sony fleshed out their lens lineup to include the 400mm f2.8 then Nikon and Canon had a problem. Nikon are the ones now playing catchup as it is them that don't have a native 400mm f2.8, which makes deals like the ones with AP and PA off the table for them. So they've compensated with a wild spec body to keep them (more than) relevant and give a reason to go with them while the 400 is still not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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