Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 9, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2022 Main post for all things Sony A7 IV related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I'll admit I haven't been following any threads on here that discuss the A74, but I've seen a number of videos on YT recently that seem to have some positive reflections on real-world use of the A74. Apart from the overheating challenges, this seems like it could be a good contender - FF, PDAF, potentially good Sony colour science, and heaps of DR for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHDcrew Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 12 hours ago, kye said: I'll admit I haven't been following any threads on here that discuss the A74, but I've seen a number of videos on YT recently that seem to have some positive reflections on real-world use of the A74. Apart from the overheating challenges, this seems like it could be a good contender - FF, PDAF, potentially good Sony colour science, and heaps of DR for the money. Yeah seems to pretty much do everything you want, minus internal ND, internal RAW video, and full-frame 4k60. Also to be honest I’m not a fan of the 20,000 pinned posts. You have to either hunt through these or scroll down a lot to see who has most recently posted. mkabi and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I think the one bummer with the A7 IV is the rolling shutter of 27ms when shooting in full frame mode (according to Slashcam's measurement). I really can't buy another camera with such bad rolling shutter performance due to mainly shooting handheld, it's a headache. Obviously it's good in APS-C mode but who buys a 2750€ camera to then crop in on the sensor all the time, might as well directly buy a good APS-C camera with other advantages. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisaha Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 59 minutes ago, Phil A said: I think the one bummer with the A7 IV is the rolling shutter of 27ms when shooting in full frame mode (according to Slashcam's measurement). I really can't buy another camera with such bad rolling shutter performance due to mainly shooting handheld, it's a headache. Obviously it's good in APS-C mode but who buys a 2750€ camera to then crop in on the sensor all the time, might as well directly buy a good APS-C camera with other advantages. Like the R7 for 1000 less euros! The AF is insane in this little camera and I have 3 adapters already. Normal Canon EF to RF, vND Meike and Viltrox 0.71X. In a way, it offers more options than a full frame one. I haven't tested the Viltrox one yet though. The other 2 are working amazingly. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 The iv came close to being the first Sony I could make a proper case for as a hybrid. Except that crop. I came from XT3 where it was the same crop as the stills. No problem. I am with Lumix S and retain the crop but have better FF stills. The iv would just be a sideways move for me, so nope. Otherwise looks a decent bit of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHDcrew Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, MrSMW said: The iv came close to being the first Sony I could make a proper case for as a hybrid. Except that crop. I came from XT3 where it was the same crop as the stills. No problem. I am with Lumix S and retain the crop but have better FF stills. The iv would just be a sideways move for me, so nope. Otherwise looks a decent bit of kit. Good point, you certainly have a unique, fascinating use case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FHDcrew said: Good point, you certainly have a unique, fascinating use case Yes, I have always been an oddball 🤪 webrunner5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHDcrew Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, MrSMW said: Yes, I have always been an oddball 🤪 Hey, in a world of Peter McKinnon copycats, a cavern haunted by LUT packs, an abandoned forest cursed by lightroom preset packs… I’d say having a unique style and use-case is a blessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 10, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted August 10, 2022 I sold my A7S III and got the A7 IV instead. For me it has a bit more mojo. Colours, and the new sensor at 30mp. Can shoot S35 and S16mm crops without killing the image quality. 10bit, better codecs than A7R IV. Low light pretty alright, at the ISOs I need it, but not A7S III level. I am curious to compare it to my S1 next and see which wins the image quality battle in video mode. There are a LOT of variables though which makes these things a bit more tricky than in GH2 vs 5D Mark II days kye, herein2020 and FHDcrew 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurtlandPhoto Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I'm in love with my A7iv. It sorta of surprised me TBH. I've been making some major kit changes and decided to dip my toe into Sony with the A7iv just to see how I liked it. Within just a few days I was convinced that Sony was the right path forward for me and sold everything to rebuild my kit with the A7iv and A7s iii. No regrets whatsoever other than I wish I'd gone this route a little sooner. The two cameras pair really nicely together, both with some unique features that make it worth having one of each. With all factors added in, I do think the A7iv is the better all-around video camera for most people's needs. webrunner5 and kye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superka Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 My Sony a7c is almost useless with S-log3 because of streaking, not even in bright bcklight, but on every dark imge parts. Streaking also present in S-log2, but occasionaly. Please tell if a7-IV has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjohn Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/10/2022 at 3:09 PM, Andrew Reid said: Can shoot S35 and S16mm crops without killing the image quality. Does it actually have a S16 window or do you mean you can successfully crop it to S16 in post due to the higher-resolution sensor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 13, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted August 13, 2022 It actually has a S16 crop mode in 4K bjohn, webrunner5 and PannySVHS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PannySVHS Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Lumix S1 has a 3x crop in HD, which should make it possilbe to use lenses that were made for 16mm image circle, such as the 10-100mm Zeiss zooms with its F1.8 and F2.8 variantes, also the lens for 16mm film from the Russian Krasnogorsk cameras such as mir, vega and others. Btw, some S16 lenses cover S35 such as the Tevidon 35mm 1.9, a true killer lens. I tested that myself. So you can take that for granted. Back to A7iv, other than AF and that S16 crop I don´t see a reason for me to switch from my S1. S16 on the A7iv should mean around 2.46K pixels in x-axis (7008 / 2.88) which would give it a true edge compared to the S1 with its 16mm gate and HD resolution for its 3x crop mode. But then S1 might allow me to use 16mm lenses with its smaller image cirlce in 3x crop mode. I think colour science on the A73 was pretty nice, so an A7iv with even nicer colour makes it indeed interesting from an image related point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebigmac Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 In addition to my previous takes on my A7iv – at least when you own a lot of bread and butter vintage analogue lenses and like to shoot photos with them – you might be a little disappointed. I put the A7 and the A7iv side by side with the Minolta MD 28/2.8, 35/1.8 and the 50/1.7, and I am left with the impression that the old A7 produces noticeably better, i.e. more detailed results. I don't know the reason, maybe the newer sensor is less forgiving facing average quality glass, but this puzzles me quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil A Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 You didn't hit the same focus in both pictures. If this is with the same lens at the same aperture, the plant in the foreground shouldn't be this much sharper on the left than the right pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebigmac Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil A said: You didn't hit the same focus in both pictures. If this is with the same lens at the same aperture, the plant in the foreground shouldn't be this much sharper on the left than the right pic. All pics are like that, I employed focus peaking on both devices and used the same settings like apterture and shutter speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted August 18, 2022 Author Administrators Share Posted August 18, 2022 Might be a couple of things. Strong AA filter in the camera. Thicker filter stack glass. Does it only look this soft at fast apertures or at F5.6 as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebigmac Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 It was in daylight, I think the aperture was between 5.6 and 8. I thought that the focus/peaking is maybe not accurate, but there's nothing really in focus on the A7iv pics. Here is the set with raw files: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/f4mzk3guqmyhswj/AACOxMDpvfQ6VaNd_FBeTJk5a?dl=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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